AREA52 Podcast With Chris Ramsay

This is the true story of David Stephens, Dr. Herbert Hopkins and a mysterious visitor known only as the Man in Black. Happy Halloween!

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Cinematographers: Lee Thorburn & Bryan Wilkat

Make-up: Alyssa Iasenzaniro

Man in Black: Jean-Francois Masson

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This man attacked an alien with a stick and filmed it. Then he put it in his freezer. Then it woke up and started screaming at him.

That's Dr. Jonathan Reed. Or at least that's the name he goes by.

His 1996 case is probably the most fought over story in UFO history, and I've been chewing on it for years.

So I flew to Seattle and sat with him for almost three hours.I'll be honest. Parts of this I can't get behind.

A cuff that turns him into a glowing orb on daytime TV? Fourteen people dead? Hit men running him off the road?

Sounds.. well, unbelievable.But when he talks about that afternoon in the woods with his dog Susie, it feels.. authentic.

He doesn't hesitate when he answers no matter how specific I get. Make of that what you will. Plus the footage looks realistic.

Oh, and he showed me something he's never shown anyone publicly..

Watch it, argue with me in the comments, and tell me where you land. Because I'm still figuring out where I land.

Low Conviction but not zero.

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March 25, 1948. A 100 foot disc hits a mesa outside Aztec, New Mexico. Oil workers climb on it. Someone pokes a stick in a hole, a staircase drops down, and inside there are bodies. Small ones. Sixteen of them. Most people Google "Aztec UFO" and stop at the word hoax. Scott and Suzanne Ramsey didn't stop.

They spent 34 years, over $600,000 and roughly 55,000 documents on this one case, and they sat down with me at the Flying Saucer Diner to walk me through all of it.

We get into the witnesses (a Bataan Death March survivor, oil field workers, a preacher, a family whose car died as discs flew overhead), the only recorded firsthand testimony from the crash site (exclusive to Area52), the concrete slab still buried out there, the trees the military replanted in perfectly straight lines, the scientists behind "Dr. Gee," a 300 page FBI file that got quietly moved to the National Archives, a break in at the New Mexico State Capitol, and a weird little marble they dug up right where the bodies were laid out.

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