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original airdate 11-3-23

Pete Blaber looks back on his path from the Ranger Regiment to Delta Force, including operations in Panama, Colombia, Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and the leadership lessons he carried from each. We also dig into his reconstruction of the Pat Tillman friendly-fire incident, the command failures that set the conditions for it, and why accountability and common-sense leadership matter so much in combat.

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00:00 – Start
01:09 – Growing Up Outside Chicago
02:48 – Cross Country, Endurance & Learning to Push Through Pain
05:45 – Desert One Inspires Him to Join the Military
07:07 – Trying to Figure Out How to Get Into the Army
08:38 – “I Want to Join Delta Force”
09:04 – OCS & Becoming an Infantry Officer
10:16 – The Fastest Route to Ranger Regiment
10:36 – First Assignment in Korea
11:56 – Joining 2nd Ranger Battalion
12:22 – The Ranger Battalion Commander Who Shaped His Leadership
13:28 – What a Healthy Command Climate Looks Like
15:12 – “The Best Welfare for the Troops Is Getting Them Home”
16:09 – Learning to Stay Calm on the Radio
17:52 – Company Command in the 7th Infantry Division
18:14 – Invading Panama
19:48 – The Friendly Firefight That Changed His Thinking
22:15 – Realizing They Had Been Shooting at Another U.S. Unit
25:21 – Learning Leadership as a Young Lieutenant
27:18 – The Sergeant Major Who Taught Him “Don’t Be in a Hurry to Die”
29:31 – Learning From Bad Leaders
31:07 – Preparing for Delta Selection
32:45 – Passing Selection & Joining the Unit
34:10 – Delta Force in the Early 1990s
35:54 – Counternarcotics Becomes a Major Mission
36:35 – Hunting Pablo Escobar in Colombia
38:17 – Building Teams Around Skills & Personality
39:08 – Learning How to Find People Who Don’t Want to Be Found
40:36 – From Colombia to Mogadishu
41:16 – Why He Distrusted Helicopter-Centric Assaults
42:24 – Black Hawks vs. Little Birds
43:16 – The Low-Visibility Approach He Wanted in Somalia
46:10 – The Hunt for Pablo Escobar
48:27 – How Colombian Forces Ultimately Found Escobar
49:25 – Arriving in Mogadishu After the Battle
49:53 – Searching for Mike Durant
52:00 – What Happened After Black Hawk Down
53:52 – Personality Conflicts & Interoperability Problems
57:51 – Somalia Becomes the Final Nail on Helicopter Assaults
58:48 – How Somalia Changed CQB & Special Operations
1:00:21 – Taking the Fight to the Enemy Instead of Sitting Still
1:02:20 – Bosnia: The “Living Laboratory” for Human Hunting
1:04:58 – Learning Low-Visibility Operations in Bosnia
1:07:11 – Humor, Creativity & Problem Solving in Combat
1:10:01 – Brainstorming Unconventional Ways to Stop a Target
1:19:52 – Transitioning From Career Stories to Common Sense Leadership Matters
1:20:41 – Why Pete Wrote the New Book
1:21:00 – Commanding Delta in Iraq
1:22:34 – Four Operators Wounded on a Baghdad Target
1:27:22 – A Ranger Asks Pete for Help
1:37:15 – Getting Access to the Pat Tillman Investigation
1:40:00 – Discovering the Pattern of Toxic Leadership
1:42:50 – Reconstructing the Pat Tillman Mission
1:43:15 – The Terrain Where Tillman Was Killed
1:45:02 – Why Pete Considered the Area Extremely Dangerous
1:50:00 – The Sync Matrix & Pressure From Higher Headquarters
1:59:59 – The Order to Split the Platoon
2:00:32 – The Platoon Leader Explains Why the Order Makes No Sense
2:02:06 – How Splitting the Platoon Broke Up Organic Teams
2:04:05 – Sending Troops Out Without Reliable Communications
2:09:57 – Why Rangers Are a “National Treasure”
2:14:49 – Who Pat Tillman Really Was as a Soldier
2:16:25 – How Toxic Leadership Set the Conditions for Disaster
2:16:54 – Reconstructing the Day Tillman Was Killed
2:17:29 – Entering the Canyon
2:18:49 – Serial 2 Struggles Through the Terrain
2:26:41 – Crossfire Begins Raining Into the Canyon
2:28:45 – Tillman Moves Into Position on the Spur
2:29:57 – Tillman Takes Fire From the South
2:31:30 – The Position That Became the Most Dangerous Place on the Battlefield
2:35:25 – Serial 2 Opens Fire Toward Tillman’s Position
2:35:42 – Pat Tillman Is Killed
2:36:03 – Why the Rangers Couldn’t Hear Him Yelling
2:38:08 – Could They Actually See Tillman’s Position?
2:40:02 – How the Investigation Judged the Rangers
2:43:40 – Why Pete Believes the Shooters Were Put in an Impossible Situation
2:45:19 – Accountability for Senior Leaders
2:47:04 – “The Cover-Up Was Worse Than the Incident”
2:47:51 – The Decision Not to Tell Kevin Tillman the Truth
2:49:57 – What Leadership Should Have Told the Tillman Family
2:53:54 – What Happened to the Senior Officers?
2:55:14 – Promotions Instead of Accountability
2:56:05 – Why Pat Tillman Was Revered by His Platoon
2:57:40 – Are Senior Officers Protected From Consequences?
3:02:09 – Audience Questions
3:05:44 – Lost Platoons & Conventional Wisdom
3:08:08 – Were Delta Snipers Involved in Escobar’s Death?
3:09:27 – Where Advanced Force Operations Came From
3:13:16 – Other Innovations From the Special Operations Community
3:19:58 – Military Working Dogs & the Evolution of the Program
3:21:49 – How Intelligence Support to Operators Has Evolved
3:22:40 – Could Pack Mules Still Have a Place in Modern Warfare?
3:24:11 – Closing Thoughts
3:24:30 – Pete’s Books & Leadership Trilogy
3:25:43 – Where to Find Pete’s Maps, Photos & Firefight Reconstruction

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We break down the mounting signs of another U.S.-Israel confrontation with Iran, including embassy drawdowns, renewed strike planning, Houthi attacks, and the growing vulnerability of Gulf infrastructure. We also discuss Israel’s elections, the war in Ukraine, Russia’s continuing losses, and the controversy over Starlink and Starshield being restricted while Russian attacks continue.
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00:00 – Start
00:30 – U.S. & Israel Prepare Options for New Iran Strikes
01:16 – Embassy Evacuations Across the Gulf
02:18 – Houthis Keep Hitting Saudi Arabia
02:49 – What Open-Source Intelligence Is Showing
04:26 – Ordered Departure From Saudi Arabia
06:42 – International Air Defense Help for the Saudis
07:18 – U.S. & Israeli Strike Planning Accelerates
08:33 – Why Hitting Iran’s Energy Infrastructure Could Backfire
09:15 – Can the U.S. Reach Iran’s Deep Nuclear Facilities?
10:20 – Deadly Attack in Jordan
10:45 – Why the Jordan Attack Is Such a Big Deal
12:13 – Could Iran Be Connected to the Jordan Attack?
13:06 – What Embassy Drawdowns Mean for Intelligence Collection
14:09 – Ordered Departure vs. Restricted Staffing
15:30 – The Signals Pointing Toward Another Escalation
16:04 – Iran Using the Houthis to Keep Pressure on the Region
17:08 – IRGC Moving Operations Into Civilian Infrastructure
18:08 – Why a “Three-Day War” With Iran Is Probably Fantasy
19:49 – Iran’s Remaining Missile & Drone Arsenal
21:52 – Hormuz, Mines & Attacks on Gulf Infrastructure
23:23 – Houthis, Iraqi Militias & Cyberattacks
24:24 – Is the U.S. Security Guarantee in the Gulf Disappearing?
25:58 – Gulf States May Start Looking to China & Russia
27:55 – Why Chinese Weapons Are Becoming More Attractive
28:34 – China Supplying Both Sides of the Conflict
30:07 – Could Economic Pressure Work Better Than Airstrikes?
32:14 – What a New U.S. Air Campaign Against Iran Might Look Like
34:00 – Has Iran Successfully Changed America’s War Aims?
36:13 – Could the U.S. Refocus on Iran’s Nuclear Program?
37:51 – Israeli Elections & the Timing of a Strike on Iran
39:20 – Israel’s Political Shift to the Right
40:33 – Support for a Two-State Solution Collapses
42:05 – Ultra-Orthodox Israelis & the IDF Draft Fight
43:50 – Israel Appears Ready for Another Iran Strike
45:27 – What an Eisenkot Government Could Mean
47:43 – Ukraine, Russia & the Starlink Controversy
48:30 – Zelensky Signals Openness to Freezing the Front Line
50:06 – The Debate Over Ukrainian Elections During Wartime
51:18 – Russia Talks Peace While Bombing Ukraine
53:52 – Moscow’s Demands Haven’t Changed
54:44 – Why Ukraine’s Refinery Strikes Matter
56:09 – Starlink & Starshield Restricted During Russian Attacks
57:22 – Is Washington Pressuring Zelensky More Than Putin?
58:17 – Can Russia Sustain These Casualty Rates?
59:05 – Russia Losing 1,200–1,500 Troops a Day
1:01:00 – Why Russia Still Has Room to Keep Fighting
1:01:58 – How Much Power Should SpaceX Have Over a War?
1:03:59 – Can Shareholders or Courts Restrain SpaceX?
1:05:18 – “Terms of Service” as a Wartime Excuse
1:06:11 – Russia Providing Targeting Data to Iran
1:06:55 – “Russia Is Our Adversary”
1:08:13 – Closing Thoughts

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Steven Woelk recounts his service aboard the USS Pueblo, its 1968 capture by North Korea, and the brutal 11 months he and his shipmates spent as prisoners. We also discuss the crew’s resistance inside captivity, the injuries and abuse he endured, their eventual release, and why he wrote Pig Fat Soup to keep the Pueblo story from being forgotten.

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00:00 – Start
01:01 – Stephen Joins the Navy
01:50 – Assigned to the USS Pueblo
03:02 – The Pueblo’s Intelligence Mission
04:09 – The Blue House Raid & the Road to the Pueblo Crisis
06:36 – USS Liberty & the Vulnerability of Spy Ships
08:00 – How Poorly Armed Was the Pueblo?
09:09 – The North Koreans Close In
10:52 – General Quarters
11:34 – Trying to Destroy Classified Material
13:03 – Why the Pueblo Couldn’t Destroy Its Secrets Fast Enough
14:42 – North Korea Opens Fire
17:11 – Stephen Is Hit by a 57mm Round
19:01 – Losing His Friend During the Attack
20:15 – North Korean Forces Board the Pueblo
21:47 – Being Taken Off the Ship
24:37 – The Crew Enters North Korean Captivity
26:04 – Wounds Become Severely Infected
27:02 – Surgery Without Anesthesia
31:04 – Transferred to a North Korean Hospital
32:18 – The North Korean Doctor Who Treated Him
35:35 – Forced Propaganda & Confessions
36:46 – Commander Bucher Refuses to Sign
38:05 – Life Inside the POW Camp
40:16 – How the Crew Resisted Their Captors
42:23 – Giving North Korea the Middle Finger
43:47 – The North Koreans Discover What It Means
44:42 – “Hell Week” Begins
47:23 – The Worst Beatings of His Captivity
47:41 – Did North Korea Try to Brainwash the Crew?
48:49 – Leadership Inside the Prison Camp
50:54 – Planning an Escape From Pyongyang
53:38 – Was U.S. Intelligence Watching the Prisoners?
54:47 – Signs That Release Might Be Coming
56:21 – Crossing the Bridge of No Return
57:31 – Fear of Returning Home to Face the Navy
58:42 – 11 Months in North Korean Captivity
58:57 – The Negotiations That Finally Freed the Crew
1:01:34 – Returning to the United States
1:04:00 – Telling His Father What Happened in North Korea
1:05:30 – The NSA Debriefing
1:06:42 – Leaving the Navy
1:08:05 – Building a Life After the Pueblo
1:08:31 – Why Stephen Wrote Pig Fat Soup
1:10:47 – Why the Pueblo Story Has Been Forgotten
1:12:04 – The Meaning Behind “Pig Fat Soup”
1:13:41 – Losing 55 Pounds in Captivity
1:14:00 – Life Today & Helping Other Veterans
1:16:57 – The Painting of the Pueblo Attack
1:19:14 – Final Thoughts

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John Kiriakou is a former CIA officer who worked as both an analyst and operations officer, serving on the Iraq portfolio, in Greece, and in Pakistan, where he helped lead the capture of Abu Zubaydah. He later became a prominent whistleblower on the CIA’s post-9/11 torture program, was prosecuted under the Espionage Act, served time in federal prison, and has since worked as an author, commentator, and lecturer.

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00:00 – Start
01:01 – John Kiriakou’s Upbringing & Greek-American Family
06:29 – Studying Middle Eastern Affairs & an Early Interest in Espionage
09:15 – The CIA Officer Posing as His College Professor
12:29 – Joining the CIA as an Analyst
14:53 – Briefing President George H.W. Bush During the Gulf War
16:58 – Working the Gulf War From CIA Headquarters
20:06 – Life After the Gulf War & Getting Burned Out on Iraq
22:30 – Writing a National Intelligence Estimate on Saddam Hussein
22:53 – Deciding to Leave Analysis for Operations
25:06 – Going Through CIA Operational Training
28:37 – Weapons, Explosives & Recruiting Spies
29:45 – Arriving in Athens as a CIA Case Officer
33:46 – Walk-Ins, Probes & Embassy Security
37:52 – CIA Disguises & Fooling the U.S. Ambassador
42:40 – The Terrorist Group 17 November
45:12 – The Assassination of British Defense Attaché Stephen Saunders
48:38 – 17 November Names Kiriakou in Its Manifesto
51:26 – Who Was Really Behind 17 November?
55:09 – How the Group Was Finally Unmasked
1:01:24 – Interrogating Carlos the Jackal
1:03:32 – 9/11 Changes Everything
1:04:44 – Watching the Second Plane Hit From CIA Headquarters
1:07:41 – Volunteering for the War on Terror
1:08:34 – Pakistan After 9/11: “The Wild West”
1:11:38 – Pakistan, the Taliban & the War Next Door
1:14:02 – The Two Faces of Pakistani Intelligence
1:15:51 – Capturing Abu Zubaydah
1:16:42 – Inside the CIA’s Torture Program
1:18:09 – Why Kiriakou Refused Torture Training
1:18:43 – Going Public About CIA Torture
1:21:17 – John Brennan Reopens the Case Against Him
1:21:40 – Charged Under the Espionage Act
1:22:34 – Facing 45 Years & Taking the Plea Deal
1:23:08 – Why John Brennan Wanted Him Prosecuted
1:23:32 – Obama’s Crackdown on National Security Leaks
1:25:57 – Heading to Federal Prison
1:26:24 – The Prison Assignment That Wasn’t What the Judge Ordered
1:29:21 – Learning How to Survive Federal Prison
1:31:30 – Becoming the Prisonhouse Appeal Writer
1:32:36 – Race, Gangs & the Social Structure of Prison
1:36:47 – How the Mafia Ran Prison Rackets
1:43:10 – Using CIA Tradecraft Behind Bars
1:46:18 – A Prisoner Puts a Contract on Kiriakou
1:48:19 – Getting Out of Prison & Starting Over
1:50:05 – Anger at the System & the People Who Were Never Prosecuted
1:53:13 – Where Is the Line Between Interrogation & Torture?
1:57:26 – Waterboarding, War Crimes & the Torture Debate
1:59:11 – Why Did the U.S. Invade Iraq?
2:02:03 – The WMD Intelligence Fight Inside Washington
2:04:00 – Did Overthrowing Saddam Hand Iraq to Iran?
2:05:45 – Why Kiriakou Went to Work for Sputnik
2:06:48 – Criticizing Russia While Working for Russian Media
2:12:50 – Life After Sputnik & What He’s Doing Now
2:15:43 – CIA Declassified & Digging Through Old Intelligence Files
2:18:16 – MKUltra & CIA History
2:18:25 – Audience Questions
2:29:47 – Would He Blow the Whistle Again?
2:42:48 – Public Trust, the CIA & Government Accountability
2:51:38 – Why John Brennan Avoided More Scrutiny
3:01:22 – Would a Presidential Pardon Restore His Pension?
3:02:18 – How Close Trump Came to Pardoning Him
3:04:52 – Thoughts on Trump Returning to Office
3:06:23 – How American Politics Has Flipped
3:07:36 – Final Thoughts

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We break down the reported throttling of Starlink in Ukraine, the Trump administration’s shifting Russia policy, and whether U.S. decisions are now putting Ukrainians and Americans on the ground at greater risk. We also discuss Europe’s ability to operate without U.S. support, the danger of a new escalation with Iran, and growing unrest over Israeli settler violence in the West Bank.
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00:00 – Start
00:21 – Did the U.S. Throttle Starlink in Ukraine?
01:07 – Russia’s Massive Strike on Kyiv
02:37 – Has Trump Shifted U.S. Policy Toward Russia?
03:54 – The Diesel Deal & the White House’s Russia Strategy
05:03 – Did U.S. Policy Put Americans in Kyiv at Risk?
06:33 – Starlink vs. Starshield Explained
08:50 – Why Diesel Prices Are Driving U.S. Policy
09:46 – Did the U.S. Stop Warning Ukraine About Russian Strikes?
10:50 – “I’ve Never Seen Anything Like This”
12:02 – The Loophole in the Russia Sanctions Law
13:03 – Was the Lindsey Graham Bill Just Political Theater?
14:01 – “Russia Is Not Our Friend”
14:17 – Conservatives Begin Breaking With Trump on Russia
15:09 – Calls to Investigate Trump’s Russia Ties
15:57 – Corruption, Kushner, Witkoff & Russia Business Deals
17:43 – Why Former Generals Stay Quiet
18:37 – The Intelligence-Sharing Decision That Crossed a Line
20:32 – Do Retired Generals Have a Duty to Speak Out?
21:25 – Can Europe Defend Itself Without the United States?
23:47 – NATO, Nuclear Deterrence & European Rearmament
26:13 – Can Europe Replace Starlink?
27:38 – The Risk of Europe Becoming Dependent on Chinese Satellites
28:53 – How the Iran War Boxed Washington Into a Corner
29:58 – Are U.S. Forces Preparing to Escalate Against Iran?
31:54 – The Risk of an Iran–U.S. Miscalculation
33:45 – How Deterrence Can Become a Threat
34:30 – Could Iran Preempt a U.S. Strike?
35:15 – Reports of a “Symbolic” Strike Proposal
36:04 – Iran’s Information War Aimed at U.S. Voters
37:05 – Why Nobody Can Predict What Happens Next
37:55 – “There Are No Straight Lines in Nature”
39:04 – Israeli Settler Violence & the West Bank
40:28 – When Does Settler Violence Become Terrorism?
41:24 – Israel’s Election & the Political Fallout
42:14 – What Do the Polls Say in Israel?
43:11 – Could Senior U.S. Officials Still Serve Under This Administration?
44:23 – When “They” Becomes “We” Inside Government
45:05 – Rebuilding American Credibility
45:44 – What to Watch Over the Next Week
47:10 – Closing Thoughts

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