Winged Wheel Podcast - A Detroit Red Wings Podcast

Alex DeBrincat signs a seven-year, $91 million extension with the Red Wings, and this Detroit Red Wings podcast grades the deal and asks why Simon Edvinsson still isn't signed. Plus a Red Wings vs Devils recap of the 5-4 overtime loss, six games into the season.
(00:00) - Intro
A rare bit of optimism in Hockeytown as the DeBrincat extension news landed. Detroit finally gets a win, and everyone takes a turn at "we're so back."
(04:50) - DeBrincat Extension Breakdown
Alex DeBrincat stays with his hometown team for seven more years at $13 million a season. Our full contract breakdown and grade, details on trade protections, and a why it may be a statement from interim GM Shawn Horcoff and ownership that they'll take care of their guys.
(16:05) - Red Wings Retool Timeline
Committing to DeBrincat through age 36 rules out a teardown, even for a team with one win so far. Is this a two-to-three-year retool around Moritz Seider, Lucas Raymond, and the young core, or can it happen next season - and how much does the Dylan Larkin trade decide that?
(23:25) - Edvinsson Contract Standoff
Simon Edvinsson is headed back to North America to skate with a trainer his agency set up, but no trade or signing is done. Shawn Horcoff says he has "zero interest" in trading him - so after the DeBrincat deal, is the pressure finally on Edvinsson?
(37:35) - Devils Game Recap
Emmitt Finnie buries a perfect stretch pass from Michael Brandsegg-Nygard to give Detroit life, and Finnie returns the favor in the second. Alex DeBrincat ties it twice, but Jack Hughes wins it 5-4 on an overtime breakaway after a high-risk three-on-three pass from Raymond.
(47:30) - Raymond Demotion & Rasmussen Drought
Practice lines drop Lucas Raymond onto a line with Michael Rasmussen, and the numbers are brutal: 32 NHL goalies have recorded a point since Rasmussen's last one on January 5. Plus, Dylan Larkin still looks hurt - do you sit him while his trade request stands?
(58:50) - Griffins Prospect Update
Michal Postava opens 3-0 for the Grand Rapids Griffins with a 1.34 GAA and player of the week honors, making him the next goalie up in Detroit. Jesse Kiiskinen's seven points in five games make the case for a call-up, and Carter Bear scores his first goal.
(01:04:00) - Overtime Mailbag
Patron questions on Nate Danielson's slow start, whether a defenseman like Landon DuPont changes a franchise the way a center does, and Gary Bettman's look at movement clauses. Plus, Shawn Horcoff and Kris Draper scouting Danila Yurov as the Dylan Larkin trade talks continue.
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Red Wings vs. Kraken & Canadiens recaps: Detroit blows a lead in a 6-3 loss, then falls 1-0 in a shootout. This Detroit Red Wings podcast also covers Simon Edvinsson's contract standoff & Bell Centre fans chanting for Dylan Larkin amid his trade request.
(00:00) - Intro
Wild times in the world of Hockeytown - is this Detroit's "gas leak" season?
(04:00) - Kraken & Canadiens Losses
William Wallinder and Michael Brandsegg-Nygard score their first NHL goals, but the Red Wings melted down and, as Todd McLellan put it, "the team got lazy and complacent". On the second night of the back-to-back, Daniil Tarasov is perfect through regulation, overtime and five shootout rounds while three goals get taken off the board, and Detroit still couldn't score.
(24:10) - Nate Danielson & Shootout Choice
Discussion on the offensive vs. defensive value of the Andrew Copp line. Also, Nate Danielson is playing without any confidence, and the hosts split on sending him out for the sixth round of the shootout.
(35:50) - "We Want Larkin" Chant
There's no playbook for a home crowd chanting for the visiting team's former captain while he's asking out of Detroit. Why Michael Hage isn't on the table, why Dylan Larkin likely isn't heading north of the border, & why Todd McLellan shut down questions about the distraction.
(43:30) - Simon Edvinsson Contract Watch
A report says Simon Edvinsson still prefers a trade while the Red Wings say they want to sign him, with a December 1 deadline looming. Why $10 million, just 9.62% of this year's cap, is the overpay worth making, and why Utah is the rumored front-runner if it comes to a trade.
(01:01:00) - Shesterkin Injury & Gibson Trade
With Igor Shesterkin out for the season, the hosts argue Detroit should call the Rangers about John Gibson now, likely for around a second-round pick.
(01:04:25) - Overtime Mailbag
Patrons ask how far Detroit has to sink before management acts, and one prediction is that they stand pat until a Justin Faulk trade for a second at the deadline. Plus, the top power play unit, why a $77 million, seven-year offer sheet for Edvinsson would cost four first-round picks, and whether trading him makes sense.
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Dylan Larkin is back, trade request and all, as Detroit grabs its first win of the season, 5-3. This Detroit Red Wings podcast has the Red Wings vs Senators recap, updates on the Simon Edvinsson contract standoff, & Justin Faulk's highlight reel goal.
(00:00) - Intro
Justin Faulk splits the D and buries one from a tough angle, and Emmitt Finnie throws down in the end-of-period yard sale as we're finally talking positive hockey.
(04:00) - Larkin's Return & Trade Outlook
Dylan Larkin gets booed on his first shift but earns applause by the end with a goal, an assist and some sticking up for his teammates. Could a soft October schedule have Detroit overly optimistic about keeping him, or would Larkin ever consider changing his mind?
(23:15) - Senators Game Recap
Alex DeBrincat scores twice, including the empty-netter, and Lucas Raymond racks up three assists. Carter Mazur and William Wallinder each pick up their first career NHL point. Justin Faulk hits 500 career points including an amazing individual effort.
(39:30) - Edvinsson Contract Talks
The Edvinsson talks are stuck on AAV, with one reported Red Wings offer at six years and about $8.5 million. Detroit is fielding calls on a trade return, but we still say "pay the tax" and get him signed.
(46:45) - Kasper Injury & Scouting Reshuffle
Marco Kasper and Mason Appleton land on IR, both listed week to week. Shawn Horcoff's changes so far: Kris Draper moves over to lead Pro Scouting, Jesse Wallin leads Amateur Scouting, and Mark Leach returns to the amateur scouting staff.
(52:40) - Panthers Woes & Ovechkin Farewell
Florida loses Aleksander Barkov for roughly eight weeks, and Brad Marchand hurts his knee. Alex Ovechkin makes his final season official, and Calgary's Connor Zary clears waivers.
(57:45) - Overtime Mailbag
Patron questions on Viktor Arvidsson's two-way game and Larkin calling himself a "hockey player" in his post-game interview. Plus, lower-tier prospects who could surprise and whether a reconciliation is still possible.
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Simon Edvinsson reportedly "prefers a trade", & this Detroit Red Wings podcast is fuming over the botched Red Wings contract talks behind it. Plus, Red Wings vs Rangers & Jets recaps, from Dylan Larkin & ownership's opening-night boos to Sunday's 3-2 loss.
(00:00) - Intro
Two games into the season and the off-ice circus has already made them feel meaningless.
(03:05) - Simon Edvinsson Trade Report
Elliotte Friedman reported Saturday night that Simon Edvinsson would prefer be traded, frustrated with how Detroit has handled negotiations. Why a 15-month contract standoff lands on Chris Ilitch and ownership, especially after Edvinsson voluntarily reported to camp.
(24:15) - Contract Numbers & Cap Space
Why Detroit has to eat the "you suck tax" and pay up even if the AAV creeps toward $12M (well over Moritz Seider's), with worlds of cap space over the next three seasons. Plus, what an Edvinsson trade could bring back & whether Horcoff could win that deal.
(39:25) - Fans Boo Dylan Larkin
Standing with the healthy scratches, Dylan Larkin got what might be the loudest boo in Little Caesars Arena history before the "sell the team" chants kicked in. Also, is his trade request the same as Edvinsson's situation?
(49:05) - Rangers Home Opener Shutout
Marco Kasper fought Sean Durzi, and the defense hasn't allowed a five-on-five goal through two games, but the Red Wings are 0-2. Dylan Garand earned his first career shutout as the top line with Andrew Copp at center barely registered.
(56:35) - Jets Loss & Finnie Centering
Down 3-0 on three power-play goals, Detroit answered with Viktor Arvidsson's first goal of the season, follow by Emmitt Finnie centering a reshuffled line with MBN & DeBrincat. Todd McLellan called it Michael Brandsegg-Nygard's best game as a Red Wing.
(01:04:35) - NHL News - Bettman Comments & Barkov Injury
Gary Bettman says no-trade and no-move clauses weren't meant for situations like this and the NHL will take a look. Also, Barkov on LTIR for at least 10 games, which revives talk of Florida as a Larkin trade partner.
(01:09:50) - Overtime Mailbag
Your questions on Lucas Raymond's quiet start, Patrik Laine rumors and whether big minutes help or hurt the young guys' trade value. Plus why an offer sheet longer than five years may be unlikely.
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Red Wings defenseman Simon Edvinsson is skating in Sweden, still unsigned, two days before the home opener. Max Bultman of The Athletic Detroit joins this Detroit Red Wings podcast for a season preview covering the Detroit Red Wings lineup, Dylan Larkin's trade request, & more.
(00:00) - Intro
(04:25) - Edvinsson Goes to Sweden
Simon Edvinsson is skating with Frolunda of the SHL, and the panel traces a summer of indecision from Steve Yzerman's July 15 removal as GM to Shawn Horcoff getting the interim GM job days before camp. Plus, how a layup deal became a contract standoff that complicates Alex DeBrincat's future, and the Elliotte Friedman report that Zach Werenski put Detroit on his no-fly list, & more.
(31:40) - Red Wings 23-Man Roster
Review of the roster announced Monday: William Wallinder looks like the odd man out once bodies return with Andreas Englund claimed off waivers. Todd McLellan calls Dylan Larkin day-to-day, will he play? Plus, what to make of Mazur, Anton Johansson, and others.
(40:20) - Forward Group Preview
With Andrew Copp potentially opening as the first-line center, so the panel sees a top-heavy group that may finish near the bottom of the NHL in scoring. Max predicts a Larkin trade by December 1, and Marco Kasper has to climb back up the lineup after ending exhibition play in the bottom six.
(1:03:25) - Defense Preview & Faulk Trade Talk
Anton Johansson's five exhibition assists and Axel Sandin-Pellikka's best preseason in a Red Wings jersey make the case for playing both every night. Justin Faulk, with a 15-team no-trade list, could be moved as early as November, and the panel weighs Larkin deals with Minnesota or a three-way with Montreal and Washington.
(1:20:05) - Gibson and Tarasov in Net
Starting goalie John Gibson and backup Daniil Tarasov are both in contract years; Max Bultman wants Michal Postava, now with the Grand Rapids Griffins, to get NHL games down the stretch if Detroit is out of contention.
(1:22:40) - Season Point Predictions
All four panelists have the Red Wings missing the playoffs, with point totals between 79 and 82. The crew also asks what really separates Detroit without Larkin from teams like the Seattle Kraken.
(1:26:40) - Overtime
Edvinsson can still sign an offer sheet, and the risk only grows once the season starts. Patrons also ask about hands-on owners, why Team USA players pass on Canadian markets, Lucas Raymond's ceiling and the league-wide shortage of centers.
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