HardLore

In our first special Q&A episode since the passing of our late Bo Lueders, we’re joined by Britty Drake (Pity Sex) & Mike Cesario (Twitching Tongues, Disgrace, Forced Order) to help bring a fresh perspective to recent questions asked by our Patreon and Discord members.

Naturally, the majority of the conversation revolves around Bo, grief, and everything in between from these past few months. Thanks to all of you for the questions, Mike & Britty for joining us, and the rest of you for being here and for watching.

Intro to Sick of It All Playlist:
Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6SYnjnzXC7uqWxfOKiTPgL?si=59a0a1e398c847ea
Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/intro-to-sick-of-it-all/pl.u-3G3bcPVy8XV

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HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.

Shot, Mixed & Edited by ⁠⁠⁠Steven Grise⁠⁠⁠
Title sequence by ⁠⁠⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠⁠⁠

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00:00:00 - Start / Lou Koller
00:03:24 - Hello Welcome
00:06:45 - Favorite lie you've ever told
00:11:38 - Songs we'd like to perform with an orchestra
00:12:56 - Holy Grail T-Shirt
00:19:09 - Little Moments That Get Us Through The Day
00:25:18 - Top 5 Death Metal Tracks Of All Time
00:28:53 - Booking process For HardLore
00:30:54 - Best Live Sets in 2026
00:33:11 - Ruckus LP Has NO SKIPS?
00:35:48 - Amp Modelers
00:39:13 - Favorite Restaurant in LA
00:41:34 - Favorite Mosh Part In A Non-Hardcore Song
00:45:03 - Pardon This Interruption...
00:47:10 - Favorite Albums This Year So Far
00:49:04 - Favorite Elvis Song
00:50:52 - Tips For Writing Lyrics
01:00:32 - Master Killer Tier Album Thats Recently Been Released
01:03:31 - What's Bo Up To?
01:06:31 - Favorite Girly Pop
01:09:17 - Are We Going To Be Okay?
01:18:25 - Top 4 Hardcore EP's
01:22:41 - Favorite MIsheard Lyric
01:23:52 - Most Time Consuming Instrument When Recording
01:26:10 - Top 4 Punk Records
01:30:06 - Why Bo As Co-Host
01:32:57 - Pop Punk
01:36:45 - Best Airline For Musicians
01:41:02 - A Burning Question For A Guest
01:47:13 - What Have You Learned About Yourself This Year
01:53:08 - Tips For Coping With Loss
01:58:10 - Mini Clone Of Hitler
02:00:34 - Who Feels Like A Rockstar To You
02:07:59 - Favorite Smell
02:10:32 - Favorite Drummer Ever
02:14:11 - Black And Gold Color Scheme
02:14:36 - Least Chance Of Explosive Sh*ts
02:15:51 - Pivotal Point
02:28:25 - Music Project With Bo
02:29:14 - Hardest Laugh While Touring
02:34:32 - Top 5 Sauced Out Tracks
02:38:49 - Mike's Question
02:41:56 - Frontman With Best Skank On Stage
02:43:15 - Britty's Idea

HardLore and special guest co-host Brody King are joined by TERROR founders Scott Vogel & Nick Jett for a special excursion all around the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles.

We learn all about the origin of the band, which started from the ruins of Carry On, and visit a few key hotspots around our mutual hometown that played an integral role in Terror’s story.

We eventually meet up with Martín Stewart to discuss all things Terror and all things STILL SUFFER, their 10th and newest LP that released in this past April.

This was something scheduled for Bo and I to do together, and I can’t thank of a more appropriate way to finally make it happen than with my LEFT hand man, Mr. Brody King. Thank you to Terror for joining us for this first special episode like this in a long time.
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HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.

Shot, Mixed & Edited by ⁠⁠Steven Grise⁠⁠
Title sequence by ⁠⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠⁠

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600:00:00 - Start
00:01:31 - TERROR, Zomu Coffee
00:02:46 - Nick Jett Discovering Hardcore
00:06:44 - Carry On
00:09:46 - Carry On Ending (& Reuniting)
00:13:40 - Piece By Piece
00:16:03 - A Change of Pace for Scott & The Magic of Nick's Garage
00:20:02 - Scotts First Apartment In LA
00:23:15 - Scott Meeting Nick & Todd Jones
00:26:47 - Naming "Terror"
00:28:07 - Terror - Life & Death Demo
00:33:54 - Writing Lowest Of The Low
00:39:17 - Bridge Nine & The Response to Lowest of the Low
00:43:48 - Studio S, North Hollywood
00:46:13 - Pardon This Interruption...
00:48:01 - Worst Terror Show Ever Played
00:53:11 - @NickGoDie
00:56:21 - Terror HQ, Swinton Ave
00:58:34 - One With The Underdogs, Todd Exiting Terror & Chaos at the House
01:03:33 - Moving In & Remembering Terror HQ
01:06:30 - Recording Without a Click Track (Hell yeah)
01:08:23 - Recruiting Frank 3 Gun
01:10:19 - Midnight Hour Records and Martín Stewart
01:17:28 - Underrated Terror Records
01:20:19 - Four Word Album Titles
01:23:43 - Crazy Terror Shows
01:24:28 - Terror At The Whisky A Go Go: A HardLore Investigation
01:31:42 - Unconventional Terror Tours
01:33:48 - Least Sane Member of Terror
01:35:55 - The Current President of Scott's Tots
01:40:10 - Cultural Explosion of Keepers Of The Faith
01:44:40 - Reuniting With Todd Jones on Pain Into Power
01:47:51 - Terror Parts That Felt Like Monumental Achievements
01:50:15 - The Pit Recording Studio, Still Suffer
01:55:36 - Recording with Taylor Young
02:04:46 - Terror Has TEN ALBUMS
02:09:12 - Advice For Younger Bands & People
02:15:22 - Top 4 Breakdowns

This is another piece of HardLore history in the making, as we’re joined by our first ever actor, the great Brooke Smith of Silence of the Lambs, Grey’s Anatomy, Bates Motel and more!

I am once again joined, very appropriately, by Alec Faber of Holy Blade, Twitching Tongues & God’s Hate (and formerly of the Reel Deal podcast with… me)

Long before she graced the silver screen as the iconic Catherine Martin in Silence of the Lambs , you could find her romping around all over the lower east side as one of the infamous WARZONE WOMEN, and a staple of 1980’s New York Hardcore. She spent the golden decade of NYHC taking legendary photos of bands like Agnostic Front, Bad Brains, Cro-Mags, Underdog and more, as documented in her incredible book Sunday Matinee.

We get into her life as a legendary publicist’s daughter, befriending and falling out with the Cro-Mags, the informal formation of the Warzone Women, growing out of hardcore just as acting started to become more serious, her life changing by being in one of the greatest movies of all time, AGAIN with Grey’s Anatomy, and everything in between…

An incredibly fun conversation with a genuine legend. Thanks to Brooke for joining us.
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HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.

Shot, Mixed & Edited by ⁠Steven Grise⁠
Title sequence by ⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠

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00:00:00 - Start
00:01:39 - Brooke Smith
00:04:09 - Growing Up
00:06:39 - Women in Early New York Hardcore
00:09:28 - Picking Up Photography
00:10:33 - Sunday Matinee
00:12:54 - The Cro-Mags
00:17:32 - Best Mosher in Early 80s NYHC
00:18:40 - "New" Bands That Formed In Real Time & Changed Things
00:22:12 - Hardcore in the 80s vs. Now
00:23:49 - The Warzone Women, Straight Edge, & Her Infamous Pool Party
00:27:33 - Brooke Flips The Script on us smh
00:29:00 - People & Details in Sunday Matinee That Stood Out to Her
00:31:48 - Phones at Shows Now, The Ramones
00:33:49 - Agnostic Front & The Donahue Show
00:36:05 - Hare Krishna
00:37:57 - Modern Day Equivalent of 1980s CBGBs (Shut Down the Internet)
00:41:04 - Close Calls at CBGBs
00:42:28 - Playing Bass In A Band with Carl the Mosher
00:43:42 - Pardon This Interruption…
00:46:22 - The Misfits & Growing out of Hardcore in 1990
00:50:42 - Acting & Hardcore Intersecting
00:53:05 - Getting the Acting Bug
00:54:43 - Developing a Project With Elgin James
00:56:33 - Silence Of The Lambs
01:05:48 - Friendship with Ted Levine
01:08:08 - Brooke's Silence of the Lambs Journals, Vanya on 42nd St
01:12:37 - The Roles That Could Have Been
01:16:38 - Worst Career Advice
01:18:55 - Grey’s Anatomy
01:29:25 - Jeff Buckley
01:33:08 - Motherhood
01:42:06 - Every Character Goes To See AF
01:45:10 - Top 4 Hardcore Records

We're joined his week to by Chris Conley, the founder, vocalist, and songwriter of Saves The Day for a comprehensive, career retrospective conversation… Featuring special guest co-host, Dr. Britty Drake of Pity Sex.

In this true 3.5 hour epic, we start from the beginning and deep deep into Chris and STD’s entire history… From discovering punk through free tickets to a Rancid show, instinctively writing music the second he touched a guitar, Sefler’s humble origin and demo quickly evolving into Saves The Day, working with Steve Evetts and Equal Vision records, Lifetime’s influence on the early days and Can’t Slow Down, dropping out of school to tour on Through Being Cool, taking a leap into the mainstream with Stay What You Are, the harsh reality check of In Reverie, all the way up to feeling “resurrected” by his family in 2026 and finding new ways to handle his lifelong battle with depression.

A true feast of information for any fan of the band, Chris, hardcore, punk, emo or beyond… Thank you to Chris and Britty for joining us.
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HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.

Shot, Mixed & Edited by Steven Grise
Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf

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00:00:00 - Start
00:01:22 - Chris Conley
00:02:24 - Discovering Music in New Jersey
00:08:58 - Developing His Songwriting Chops
00:11:24 - Everything Comes From Hardcore
00:13:47 - The Show That Changed It All...
00:19:09 - New Jersey Word Association
00:28:56 - How Sefler Became SAVES THE DAY
00:34:13 - Saves The Day's First Hardcore Show
00:36:48 - Sefler
00:38:20 - Saves The Day's Relationship With Steve Evetts
00:41:44 - Equal Vision Records
00:43:21 - CAN'T SLOW DOWN
00:51:38 - Pardon This Interruption...
00:55:04 - Favorite Fret
00:57:37 - Evolving as a Teenage Lyricist
01:04:41 - First U.S. Tour with Bane
01:10:08 - The Story Behind "I'm Sorry I'm Leaving"
01:12:22 - Attending NYU
01:15:26 - Dropping out of NYU
01:16:57 - Can't Slow Down Songs that Resonate with Chris Now
01:18:20 - "Blindfolded"
01:20:35 - "Always Ten Feet Tall"
01:21:04 - THROUGH BEING COOL
01:30:50 - The Iconic Through Being Cool Album Cover
01:32:26 - "Shoulder to the Wheel"
01:35:31 - Saves the Day's First Consistent Lineup
01:37:24 - Shoulder To The Wheel Music Video
01:38:31 - Pop Punk vs. Emo
01:45:34 - "Banned From The Back Porch"
01:49:44 - Tours On Through Being Cool
01:51:39 - Vocal Conditioning & Early Voice Changes
01:55:12 - Reflecting on Through Being Cool
01:57:10 - "Sell My Old Clothes, I'm Off To Heaven"
01:58:06 - STAY WHAT YOU ARE
02:01:41 - "At Your Funeral" & Working With Rob Schnapf
02:07:53 - Chris' Voice Changing
02:09:15 - Stay What You Are 25 Years Later
02:11:06 - Growth Over The Years
02:19:20 - Criticism After In Reverie
02:22:19 - IN REVERIE
02:24:39 - Dreamworks
02:27:38 - In Reverie's Cursed Roll Out and Release
02:30:50 - Fatherhood Changing His Perspective
02:31:41 - UPS AND DOWNS
02:34:50 - Trilogy Chapter 1: SOUND THE ALARM
02:43:05 - Formulating the Idea for This Trilogy
02:45:50 - Trilogy Chapter 2: UNDER THE BOARDS
02:47:31 - Touring On The Records
02:50:28 - Trillogy Chapter 3: DAYBREAK (GOATED)
02:54:54 - Dealing With Criticism
02:58:10 - S/T
02:59:51 - Re-Signing to Equal Vision
03:02:58 - Five Year Gap Before 9
03:07:51 - Feeling "Resurrected" in 2026 Thanks to His Wife
03:15:15 - Next Chapter For Chris & Saves The Day
03:18:45 - Top 4 Hardcore Records

In this highly anticipated next chapter with one of our favorite bands, HardLore is finally joined by Jade Puget: the man who was instrumental in defining the iconic AFI sound. Featuring special guest co-host Alec Faber of God’s Hate, Twitching Tongues and Holy Blade.

Following our legendary two part special with Davey Havok, we’re honored to share Jade’s side of the greater AFI story… Starting from the beginning with Jade discovering punk & hardcore in Ukiah, CA alongside his brother Smith, his days in Redemption 87, joining AFI and creating their definitive sound with his work on Black Sails in the Sunset, the surprising legacy of the All Hallows EP, his (and the band’s) frustrations with Nitro Records, the opportune timing of Art of Drowning, the cultural phenomenon of Sing the Sorrow and continuing success of Decemberunderground, the agony of Crash Love, the triumph of Burials, all the way to re-defining the AFI sound with Silver Bleeds the Black Sun.

It was an honor and a joy to finally chat about all things AFI and hardcore with Jade, and we can only hope you enjoy this 3 hour chat as much as we did.
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HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.
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Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf
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00:00:00 - Start
00:01:38 - Jade Puget
00:03:10 - Discovering Punk and Hardcore in Ukiah
00:06:28 - Skateboarding & The Muhammad Ollie
00:12:57 - Straight Edge & The Way It Is Compilation
00:18:05 - Redemption 87
00:24:21 - Becoming Aware of AFI
00:28:04 - Joining AFI & Writing BLACK SAILS IN THE SUNSET
00:34:30 - Jade’s Favorite Fret & Restraint in Songwriting
00:38:03 - The AFI Sound
00:43:10 - All Hallows EP
00:51:01 - AFI, Danzig, Samhain Tour
00:57:38 - Art Of Drowning
01:06:36 - Commercial Success And Overall Shock
01:09:20 - SING THE SORROW & Slowing Down the AFI
Sound
01:13:20 - Jerry Finn & Butch Vig
01:21:21 - Sing The Sorrow’s Electronics (Fruity Loops)
01:26:48 - Leaving Song 2 & Initially Hearing Sing the Sorrow Finished
01:31:34 - MTV New Years Eve With Three Six Mafia
01:32:59 - Leaving Song 2 Video
01:37:46 - Sing The Sorrow’s Release Into DECEMBERUNDERGROUND
01:44:17 - Picking the Singles for DECEMBERUNDERGROUND
01:47:59 - Butch Vig Declining to Work on the Album
01:50:54 - Writing 120 Songs & The “Hardcore Club”
01:57:00 - The Whirlwind of Decemberunderground into the Agony of CRASH LOVE
02:01:15 - Blaqk Audio/Crash Love Coinciding and “Stripping Down” AFI
02:11:51 - Sing The Sorrow At The Forum
02:17:25 - The Triumph of BURIALS
02:24:13 - The Blood Album & Producing AFI
02:28:18 - Silver Bleeds the Black Sun & Evolving the AFI Sound
02:39:22 - BODIES & AFI in 2020
02:43:05 - Birdlegs & Getting His Revelation Star
02:46:23 - Jade's Insane Chipotle Order lololololol
02:51:51 - Top 4 Hardcore Records
02:54:22 - A Les Paul Epilogue For Bo