With The Perrys

Today’s guest, Christine Caine, says that one of the greatest testimonies in our generation is a resilient, enduring faith. No matter what is happening around you, you can continue to flourish when you are rooted and grounded in the love of God.

Christine and the Perrys discuss what it looks like to lean into sanctification rather than run from it, what the imagery of the olive tree in Scripture teaches us, and why followers of Christ can flourish while still grieving the darkness of our world. This life is hard. It doesn’t get easier. But what’s on the other side is worth it: intimacy with Jesus.

Check out Christine's new book, The Faith to Flourish: God’s Design for a Rooted, Resilient, and Fruitful Life – https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Flourish-Design-Resilient-Fruitful/dp/1400255252

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Scripture references:


Psalm 52:8


John 15:1-2

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With The Perrys is back, and the first conversation of 2026 is all about suffering and God’s sovereignty.

Jackie shares the story of being hospitalized last fall, receiving a life-altering diagnosis of Type 1 Diabetes, and how the adjustment in her health has deepened her dependence on the Lord. Jackie and Preston wrestle with the mystery of why God allows suffering and what it means to trust that God is both sovereign and good, even when life hurts. You can be in pain and still have joy. And even when healing doesn’t come, God is still good.

Episodes referenced:

Yana Conner: https://youtu.be/S_XuneYL4d0

Jada Edwards: https://youtu.be/68r-elvUEIg

Toni Collier: https://youtu.be/ta485GMdHLc

Scripture references:

Job 1:1

Job 42:2-5

1 Peter 4:12-13

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We’ve got a special conversation to wrap up the year before a holiday break. The Perrys are joined by their friend and Gospel-music artist CeCe Winans. CeCe shares how meeting the Lord at a young age shaped both her music and her priorities in life. The love of God has always been her motivator and she strives to please Him in all she does. 

From the fear of the Lord helping her navigate the music industry to choosing home and church over public calling, CeCe reflects on what has kept her grounded, She says, “I don’t worship what I do. I worship who He is.” CeCe’s challenge to listeners is to stay consistent in the things that matter, because you honor God, He’ll honor you.Follow CeCe: https://www.instagram.com/cecewinans

Find CeCe on her MORE THAN THIS Tour: https://cecewinans.com/tour/

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We all have “love issues.” John 13:35 says that love is to be our identifying mark as Christians – not our wisdom or spiritual gifts or activity – but being a loving person is difficult.
 
Jada Edwards has a new book out called A New Way to Love Your Neighbor that she wrote out of a season where she struggled to love well. The Lord revealed to her that she couldn’t be the originator of grace for other people. She needed God to reveal His love for her specifically, continually, so she’d be filled up with love to give.
 
Jada and the Perrys explore the definition of agape love in which the person initiating the love determines the value of the one they love. They talk about how Biblical love for others almost always requires decision – deciding to love – instead of affection. And ultimately, love needs wisdom to be effective. We need to slow down, pray, and ask Holy Spirit to guide us in how to love.
 
Scripture references:
John 13:35
1 John 4:8
Connect with Jada: https://www.instagram.com/jada_edwards/
 
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Before they were podcasters, the Perrys did spoken-word poetry, and this week’s guest had a profound impact on them as one of the first “viral” Christian poets online. 
Blair (Wingo) Linne joins Jackie and Preston to talk about her new book, Made to Tremble: How Anxiety Became the Best Thing That Ever Happened to My Faith. Blair discusses how past traumas – including the sudden death of her infant brother and a car accident that totaled their family vehicle – shaped her present anxiety and how that anxiety drove her even closer to the Lord. She explains how all of Scripture points to peace as a person – God is our peace, which means that peace is not a result of our circumstances. Blair’s encouragement is to find the Lord and trust that He’s going to be with you, even if He has you trembling for the rest of your life.
Follow Blair: https://www.instagram.com/blairlinne_/
Check out her new book, Made to Tremble: How Anxiety Became the Best Thing That Ever Happened to My Faith: https://www.amazon.com/Made-Tremble-Anxiety-Became-Happened/dp/1430096365/
Scripture references:

Philippians 4:4-7

2 Corinthians 4:7-10

Hebrews 12:14-24, 28-29

 
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