Jokermen

Ian speaks with Sylvan Esso's Amelia Meath and Nick Sanborn about the pain of daily existence, releasing a record on 9/11, nuance and depth in a discography, making a record in the midst of environmental catastrophe, overemphasizing despair, trying to become Phish, the difficulties in ditching Spotify, working with Daniel Aged, and more.

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The Jokermen consider poems about the cosmos, the Jewish diaspora, and getting your dick sucked, among other subjects.

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The Jokermen examine Leonard Cohen's travels through London, Hydra, and Havana on his way to the publication of his second volume of poetry, The Spice-Box of Earth.

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