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    The Drum Panel: Chick Corea's cheap but good advice for playing music in a group PART TWO

    2026-06-03 | 50 mins.
    Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, powered by Big Fat Snare Drum.

    This episode is a new installment of The Drum Panel, and it’s Part TWO of TWO of diving into Chick Corea’s Cheap But Good Advice For Playing Music in a Group.

    I’m joined by good friend of mine ⁠Rafa Vidal⁠, who also plays with the band Almost Monday, who are currently killing it, and of course ⁠Eric Somers-Urrea ⁠is back on the panel.

    In Part One, we covered numbers 1 through 6. Today, we’re finishing the list with numbers 7 through 16, which get into some really good stuff: balance, intention, taste, space, relaxation, ego, and what it actually means to serve the music.

    As always with The Drum Panel, we’re not pretending to have all the answers. We’re just using these ideas as a jumping-off point to talk about playing music, being in bands, staying creative, and trying to become better musicians without losing our minds.

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    Chick Corea's Cheap But Good Advice For Playing Music in a Group.

    Play only what you hear.

    If you don’t hear anything, don’t play anything.

    Don’t let your fingers and limbs wander. Place them intentionally.

    Don’t improvise on endlessly. Play something with intention, develop it or not, then end off and take a break.

    Leave space. Create space. Intentionally create places where you don’t play.

    Make your sound blend. Listen to your sound and adjust it to the rest of the band and the room.

    If you play more than one instrument at a time, like a drum kit or multiple keyboards, make sure they are balanced with one another.

    Don’t make any of your music mechanically or just through patterns of habit. Create each sound, phrase, and piece with choice, deliberately.

    Guide your choice of what to play by what you like, not by what someone else will think.

    Use contrast and balance the elements: high/low, fast/slow, loud/soft, tense/relaxed, dense/sparse.

    Play to make the other musicians sound good. Play things that will make the overall music sound good.

    Play with a relaxed body. Always release whatever tension you create.

    Create space. Begin, develop, and end phrases with intention.

    Never beat or pound your instrument. Play it easily and gracefully.

    Create space, then place something in it.

    Use mimicry sparsely. Mostly create phrases that contrast with and develop the phrases of the other players.

    We also get into a Rafa's new endeavor called Touch Grooves. Check out more information on that ⁠HERE⁠

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

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    The Drum Panel: Check your Self 1 before you wreck your Self 2

    2026-05-27 | 39 mins.
    Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, powered by Big Fat Snare Drum.

    This week on The Drum Panel, I’m joined by my co-host Eric Urrea, an independent drummer from Chicago who plays with Marina City and La Armada, and Steve Durham, who is new to The Drum Panel but returning from Big Fat Five.

    Steve has worked with artists like Louis Tomlinson, Mumford & Sons, Foals, Wolf Alice, Aurora and a bunch of others. But the reason I wanted him in this conversation is because we’d recently been talking about that voice in your head when you’re playing. The one that judges your ideas before they even come out.

    So that became the jumping-off point.

    We got into the inner critic, why creativity can feel scary when there’s no structure, what changes when you stop trying so hard, how tension shows up in your body, playing to a click without becoming stiff, and whether being in a band is still worth it.

    It’s a good one. Very Drum Panel.

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

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    Big Fat Five: Tosh Peterson (Lady Gaga, Alkaline Trio) breaks down the records, mentors, and moments that shaped his drumming voice

    2026-05-20 | 24 mins.
    What is up? Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, a podcast powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. This week I’m re-airing a classic Big Fat Five episode with Tosh Peterson.

    Long before playing with Lady Gaga and Alkaline Trio, Tosh sat down with me to break down the records, mentors, and moments that shaped his drumming voice. We talk about discovering Thomas Pridgen at 10 years old, learning how to command a stage from Tommy Lee, what Snoop grooves taught him about making people move, and the lessons he learned touring with Nick West at just 16 years old.

    Inside this episode:

    Meeting Thomas Pridgen for the first time and eventually studying with him for years

    Why groove and making people dance mattered more than playing perfectly

    Learning confidence, leadership, and stage presence on tour with Nick West

    Tommy Lee, pyrotechnics, and why Tosh believes drummers should steal the spotlight

    The influence of Tosh’s dad and the roots of his playing style

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

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    The Drum Panel: E-MAN is not a collector ok

    2026-05-13 | 24 mins.
    What is up?

    Ben here.

    Another Drum Panel this week powered by Big Fat Snare Drum.

    This one’s with Eric Urrea and E-MAN. We got into studio vs live drumming, why some players obsess over the grid, and whether modern editing has actually made people more musical…or just safer.

    E-Man had a great point about how at a certain level, everybody can already play close to the click. What actually separates people is sound. The way the drums feel in the room. The way the snare reacts in the verse versus the chorus. The weird little details that actually make a performance feel human.

    We also talked about:

    Why a little ugliness in drumming can actually make things feel better

    Punching in takes vs forcing full performances

    The reality that basically everybody is getting “fixed” in modern recordings

    The one cymbal E-MAN would steal from jazz history if he could

    Goosebumps moments from Nicole Scherzinger, Blink-182, and Dagny

    Whether any of us ever really stop trying to sound like our heroes

    Kenny Aronoff’s weird tom setup and the chaos of panning it in the studio

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

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    The Drum Panel: His mouth time can finally relax on a bullet train to Iowa

    2026-05-06 | 51 mins.
    Ben here.

    On this week’s episode of Drummers on Drumming (powered by Big Fat Snare Drum), we’re back with another round of The Drum Panel.

    Joining me:

    Gunnar Olsen:
    Currently out with Puscifer

    Eric Urrea:
    One of my favorite drummers to talk shop with because he somehow makes existential drum conversations feel practical.

    This episode starts with Gunnar talking about completely losing the plot during a fill in 5… accidentally playing it in 6… then having to find his way back into the song in real time while thousands of people watched.

    From there, things spiraled beautifully.

    We talked about:

    Why messing up live might actually make a show feel more human

    The weird pressure of trying not to visibly “count” on stage when you’re hearing a click track

    The difference between “giving” a great show and actually having a great show

    Whether your real musical voice only shows up when you’re alone

    The strange mental game of joining an established artist and figuring out how much of “you” should show up in the parts

    Why some of the best gigs happen when nobody notices the drummer at all

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.
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A podcast for drummers who think too much. Ben Hilzinger talks to the greats about creativity, identity, staying sane, and finding purpose behind the kit. Powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. For more inforamtion, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram.
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