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Dyan Finkhousen: CEO of Shoshin Works
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  • 96. Unraveling Linear Thinking: Unlocking $500B in Hidden Economic Value Through Ecosystemic Transformation
    Linear thinking squanders $500 billion annually. The revelation? Ecosystemic collaboration across value chains unlocks it.Textile innovators shatter assumptions—strategic design choices create immediate circular economics. Dr. Rawaa Ammar, Chief Sustainability & Impact Officer at Resortecs, reveals a counterintuitive reality: While companies optimize in isolation, the industry collectively discards $500 billion in materials (equivalent to one garbage truck of textiles every second). Ecosystemic design captures 85-90% through active disassembly—but only when entire value chains collaborate.Unexpected Paradigm Shifts:→ Value Chain Orchestration: Success requires collaboration across entire ecosystems (brands, collectors, recyclers)—silos prevent circular economics → Scale Inversion: Siloed, manual processes hit scaling walls—you can't "hire more workers" for circular economics → Critical Materials Redefinition: Cotton becomes strategically critical when supply chains break (Suez Canal delays cost billions) → Policy Innovation Engine: EU's 16 textile regulations generate ecosystemic collaboration and profit centersEconomic Reality: → 100 billion garments produced annually, <1% recovery vs 75% for paper → Active disassembly: 15x faster processing, 3.3x yield optimization → UN study: 110 billion euros at risk, 54 trillion savings potentialThe Innovation:Smart stitching threads dissolve with targeted heat, enabling automated disassembly at scale. Design-for-circularity transforms costs into revenue streams.Opportunity for Other Sectors:Considering the space economy as an example - where resupply is constrained and every gram costs thousands to transport - could the incorporation of design for disassembly enable a greater economic impact through in-space repair and material recovery?Getting There: Stop asking "How do we dispose efficiently?" Start by asking: "What if 90% of our material value was designed for profitable recovery across our entire value chain?"#EcosystemicFutures #CircularEconomy #DesignInnovation #MarketTransformationGuest: Dr. Rawaa Ammar, Chief Sustainability & Impact Officer, Resortecs | PhD Earth & Environmental SciencesHost: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin WorksSeries Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research CenterDyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin WorksEcosystemic Futures is provided by NASA Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project in collaboration with Shoshin Works.
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  • 95. High-Velocity Market Ecosystems: ASEAN's Integrated Industrial Exchanges
    Global consensus is the enemy of market efficiency. The solution lies in interconnected market ecosystems that work, while others debate.Many business leaders assume that global alignment is necessary first, followed by implementation. But ASEAN is proving the opposite—regional market ecosystems can out-innovate global bureaucracy. Dr. Renard Siew, President of the Malaysia Carbon Market Association, breaks down the economics: Compliance-integrated exchange markets trade $200-300 billion annually, while voluntary efficiency trading platforms remain at $2 billion. The disparity reveals massive market inefficiencies—pure economic opportunity.Economic Reality (from ASEAN's emerging integrated industrial exchange ecosystem): → 70% of verification methodologies use VERRA standards, but a lack of mutual recognition fragments liquidity → Malaysian industrial efficiency projects can't access Indonesian buyers due to fragmented exchange systems → ASEAN's energy-intensive industries face international trade barriers without integrated industrial exchange mechanismsThe Innovation: Regional frameworks with mutual recognition create integrated exchange ecosystems while maintaining the integrity of verification. The ASEAN Common Framework demonstrates how interconnected market building drives economic efficiency.The Paradigm Shift: → Old thinking: Global standards → Implementation → Scale → New thinking: Regional cooperation → Market liquidity → Velocity → Scale → Global relevanceTrade Implications: As international trade barriers increasingly target industrial efficiency standards, regions with integrated industrial exchange ecosystems gain a competitive advantage. Connected market building beats regulatory isolation.Strategic Question: Ask yourself... "Which 3-5 key partners can we build mutual recognition with to create a liquid market for our efficiency improvements?"Most efficiency improvements aren't pursued because companies can't find verified buyers for the results. However, the right regional partners could help you resolve that issue overnight.Getting There: In your industry, where can regional cooperation create working markets while global standards remain stuck in committee? #EcosystemicFutures #IntegratedExchanges #MarketEcosystems #MarketEfficiency #RegionalOrchestration #TradeCompetitiveness #PerformanceMarketsGuest: Dr. Renard Siew, President, Malaysia Carbon Market Association | PhD Civil & Environmental EngineeringHost: Marco Annunziata, Co-founder, Annunziata Desai AdvisorsSeries Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research CenterDyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin WorksEcosystemic Futures is provided by NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project in collaboration with Shoshin Works.
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  • 94. Connected Care Networks: How Strategic Technology Adoption Reshapes Healthcare Ecosystems
    🔗 How do you scale from a startup to $2 billion in revenue while transforming healthcare delivery models?Denise Hatzidakis cracked this code at WellBe Senior Medical, directing 8,000 developers at Deutsche Bank (achieving 40% faster delivery), and enabling $50+ million in hospital savings at Premier Healthcare Alliance. Her strategic approach reveals why disconnected systems limit healthcare #ROI despite record spending:The Data Reality: → 70% of health outcomes stem from social determinants—yet most systems ignore this data→ Frail seniors average 10-12 chronic conditions but use 911 as primary care → US healthcare spending leads globally, but delivers suboptimal longevity outcomes → Fragmented EHRs, labs, and pharmacy data prevent holistic careThe Network Solution:Strategic #healthcareAI adoption that connects—not just digitizes—creates measurable ecosystem transformation. When payment models align with health outcomes rather than treatment volume, connected networks turn prevention into profit centers.💡 Denise's Strategic Framework:Align technology with ecosystem-wide outcomes (not isolated metrics)Build iterative pilots that test network effects with clear ROIRedesign processes for connection, not the automation of old workflowsFoster collaborative cultures across network participants🔬 Market Implications:As AI evolves from isolated tools to network-connected intelligence and value-based care becomes more prevalent, connected care networks will render traditional fee-for-service models obsolete. The organizations building these connected ecosystems today will capture tomorrow's healthcare market.What disconnected system in your portfolio needs strategic network transformation?#EcosystemicFutures #ConnectedCare #ValueBasedCare #HealthTech #AIImplementation #DigitalTransformation #HealthcareInnovationGuest: Denise Hatzidakis, Chief Technology, Product, Security Officer, Vori HealthHost: Marco Annunziata, Co-founder, Annunziata Desai AdvisorsSeries Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research CenterDyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin WorksEcosystemic Futures is provided by NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project in collaboration with Shoshin Works.
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  • 93. Cultivating Tomorrow: The Ag-Powered Future
    Cultivating Tomorrow: The Ag-Powered Future🌱 How do you ensure humanity thrives when traditional agriculture faces supply chain disruptions and geographic constraints?Most food security solutions focus on single variables, such as increasing yield, improving efficiency, or reducing costs. But as global populations urbanize and supply chains become more complex, we need ecosystemic solutions that work both on Earth and beyond.Celina Rocquet is pioneering this integrated approach.From her work with French startup Towerfarm, she's demonstrating how vertical farming isn't just about growing plants in cities—it's about creating controlled ecosystems that can adapt to any environment. By manipulating over 60 growth parameters, including light spectra, nutrient cycles, and atmospheric conditions, these systems achieve water autonomy through closed-loop transpiration and produce pharmaceutical-grade compounds year-round.→ Eliminating seasonal and geographic constraints on medicinal plant production → Creating hyper-local food systems that reduce supply chain vulnerabilities→ Developing plant cultivation protocols for Mars colonization → Advancing from simple leafy greens to complete nutritional ecosystemsTraditional agriculture takes what nature provides. Controlled environment agriculture engineers what life requires. The implications extend far beyond food security. When pharmaceutical companies can't source active ingredients due to geopolitical disruptions or climate events, indoor cultivation of medicinal plants becomes critical infrastructure. When space missions require self-sustaining life support systems, plants provide oxygen, food, medicine, and psychological well-being.📌 The broader insight: This isn't just about farming efficiency.This represents a fundamental shift toward engineered ecosystems that can thrive in any environment, from urban rooftops to lunar colonies. The same principles that enable plant growth in Martian conditions are also solving food security issues in desert cities today. The key lesson from Celina Roquet, biotechnology expert and sci-fi author: "Be curious, explore and test and learn," because the future of human survival—whether on Earth or Mars—depends on our ability to take plants with us and adapt them to any environment.📢 Constraint-driven innovation creates survival solutions. Ecosystemic thinking creates infinite adaptability.What extreme environment in your industry is waiting for this kind of integrated biological approach?#CultivatingTomorrow #VerticalFarming #SpaceAgriculture #FoodSecurity #Biotechnology #Innovation #Sustainability #EcosystemicFutures #PlantScienceGuest: Celina Rocquet, Biotechnology Expert, Plant Institute of Biotechnology Graduate, Sci-Fi AuthorHost: Marco Annunziata, Co-founder, Annunziata and Desai AdvisorsSeries Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research CenterDyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin WorksEcosystemic Futures is provided by NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project in collaboration with Shoshin Works.
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  • 92. Vertical Integration: NEOM's Ground-Up Approach to eVTOL Ecosystems
    Vertical Integration: NEOM's Ground-Up Approach to eVTOL Ecosystems🚁 How do you build the future when no blueprint exists?Most breakthrough technologies fail not because of technical limitations, but because we try to solve them sequentially: we develop the technology first, then figure out the regulation, then build the infrastructure, and then train the people.NEOM is rewriting this playbook entirely.In 2023, they conducted Saudi Arabia's first eVTOL flight in conditions no aviation authority has ever certified for—50°C+ desert heat, dust storms, and coastal corrosion that would ground conventional aircraft. But the real innovation wasn't the flight itself. It was flying while simultaneously co-developing regulatory frameworks with GACA and designing air corridors integrated with urban planning. → Building energy grid infrastructure for vertiports → Training pilots for software-defined aircraft → Modeling economicsacross 32 million future residents.Traditional aerospace development typically creates delays of 5-7 years between technology readiness and market deployment. NEOM's cross-functional working groups, which bring together OEMs, regulators, urban planners, and energy providers, are eliminating those delays by building the entire ecosystem in parallel. The broader insight: This isn't just about flying cars. This integrated development model applies to any breakthrough technology that requires multi-stakeholder coordination, such as space commercialization, quantum computing infrastructure, autonomous systems, and biotechnology deployment. The key lesson from Borja Blond, CEO of AAM Operator at NEOM: "The only way to predict your future is to create it," and creating it means building supporting ecosystems alongside the technology, not after it.* Sequential thinking creates innovation bottlenecks. Ecosystemic thinking creates innovation acceleration. *What breakthrough technology in your industry is waiting for this kind of integrated approach?#EcosystemicFutures #TechnologyDeployment #eVTOL #SystemsThinking #Innovation #NEOM #AerospaceEngineering #RegulatoryInnovationGuest: Borja Blond Fdez de Arroyabe, CEO of NEOM Vertical Mobility Operating CoHost: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin WorksSeries Hosts:Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research CenterDyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin WorksEcosystemic Futures is provided by NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project in collaboration with Shoshin Works.
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Ecosystemic Futures engages with the world’s elite thought leaders who are researching and leading meaningful development in areas that could impact society in the next half century. Provided by Shoshin Works in collaboration with NASA Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project - Ecosystemic Futures explores technological advances and structural patterns that will help us better innovate, operate, and navigate in our increasingly connected world. Join the conversation as NASA leaders, and industry and policy luminaries share their perspectives with host Dyan Finkhousen, a leading strategist and global authority on ecosystemic solutions, and brilliant co-hosts.
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