Music Not Diving with Scuba

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Carl Craig is a producer, DJ, and label owner from Detroit.

A feature-length documentary, Desire: The Carl Craig Story, is available to stream now.

Listen to the reissue of 'Meditations' LP.

We discuss the history of Detroit music, the development of techno, the influence of other areas of popular culture on dance music, and the breadth of his musical experiences from playing guitar in bands as a teenager to being a current artist-in-residence at Michigan State University.

This is a conversation with a true legend who does not disappoint!

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Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1

You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro
02:00 The documentary
07:15 Judging artists' work
14:08 Jungle and the UK rave scene
20:29 Breakthrough and early material
25:20 Popular culture and dance music
31:55 Collaboration and solo work
35:48 Bring back guitars
41:55 The Electrifying Mojo
54:46 Techno and Motown
01:01:58 Frankfurt vs Berlin
01:08:50 Black music and diversity
01:19:47 Artist in residence at MSUFCU
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Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1

You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist
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The bulk of this episode is a deep dive on the Live Nation / Ticketmaster situation.

We look at the system of practices that has developed since the merger in 2010, the recent ruling, and the possible future arrangements in a world where the ruling (currently subject to appeal) is put into practice.

But separately, we also discuss why the Chaotic Good marketing approach is actually a good thing for music...!

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Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1

You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Support the podcast
03:00 Is Chaotic Good actually good?
07:28 Ticketing
31:41 Closing
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This week on Music Not Diving we decouple from the Youtube feed and get into the ongoing debate around AI. Sceptics like Ed Zitron have come to prominence with their doubts about the viability of business models of the big AI firms, but in music Suno is busily destroying artistry and the effect of the general LLMs has upended other bits of the industry too.

So what does this all mean?

And we also learn about the ceiling of the Rolls Royce Phantom and what that might mean for vintage mix consoles.

Bob Lefsetz piece on the Indie Alliance: lefsetz.com/wordpress/2026/03/31/the-indie-alliance/

Shawn's referenced piece: firstfloor.substack.com/p/the-majors-are-ushering-in-an-era

Ted Gioia referenced piece: www.honest-broker.com/p/four-steps-to-hell

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Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1

You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro
02:00 Future of the pod
06:50 The Indie Alliance
12:30 Major labels and AI
15:00 AI scepticism
20:17 New Suno model
29:20 Rolls Royce and music
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What does the music industry have in common with Swiss watches? Quite a lot, as we discover on this solo episode of the podcast...

The latest Morgan Stanley Swiss watch industry report can be viewed here.

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Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1

You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/

If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.

You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

00:00 Intro
05:52 The current landscape
10:08 Volume vs luxury
14.07 The key players
19.11 How the successful acts do it
24.32 Can listeners pick up the slack?
27.10 The real problem
30.20 Conclusions
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