Palisades Gold Radio

Stijn Schmitz welcomes back Shawn Khunkhun to the show. Shawn Khunkhun is CEO, President, & Director, Dolly Varden Silver Corp. The interview centers on the current state of the precious metals market, with a particular focus on silver and gold. Khunkhun explains that silver has been in a structural deficit for years, with annual demand exceeding supply by approximately 200 million ounces. After a significant price surge from $40 to $120, the market recently experienced a correction, which Khunkhun views as a healthy part of the bull market. Khunkhun remains bullish on silver, arguing that production cannot meet demand until the next decade. He highlights growing industrial demand, particularly from the electric vehicle market and solar panel industries. The silver market is complex, with only one in four ounces coming from primary mines, making price incentives challenging for producers.

The conversation shifts into geopolitical factors affecting precious metals, including the growing divide between physical and paper markets. Khunkhun emphasizes the different cultural attitudes towards gold and silver in Eastern and Western countries, noting that many regions view these metals as critical wealth preservation tools, especially during economic uncertainty.

Recently, Dolly Varden merged with Contango Ore in a strategic move to create a more robust precious metals company. Khunkhun sees this as an opportunity to leverage Contango’s cash flow and expertise to develop Dolly Varden’s silver properties, creating a unique North American precious metals business. Looking ahead, Khunkhun believes the precious metals market is still in its early stages. He anticipates continued volatility but sees significant potential for growth, particularly if global asset allocation to precious metals increases from its current less than 0.5%. He remains optimistic about gold and silver, suggesting potential prices of $150 per ounce for silver and potentially $8,000 to $9,000 per ounce for gold in the future.

Timestamps:
00:00:00 – Introduction
00:00:41 – Precious Metals Volatility Surge
00:03:02 – Strong Bull Case Silver
00:04:20 – Incentivizing Silver Production Levels
00:06:34 – Industrial Demand Substitutions
00:09:09 – Paper vs Physical Markets
00:11:33 – Geopolitical Physical Demand
00:16:00 – Silver Premiums East/West
00:21:15 – Gold Future Recession Impact
00:24:12 – Financial Reset Possibilities
00:26:17 – Company Merger Rationale
00:31:22 – Mining M&A Activity State
00:39:22 – Volatility Concerns

Guest Links:

Website:: https://dollyvardensilver.com

X: https://x.com/SilverVarden

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/dolly-varden-silver-corp

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK4YE6ftyxv4G-6zu9BYJvgerved=0

Mr. Shawn Khunkhun has over 20 years of expertise in capital markets and mineral exploration, with a strong focus on creating shareholder value. Over his career, he has facilitated over $2 billion in capital raises, playing a transformative role in advancing exploration, development, and production companies. In his leadership roles as CEO, Director, and Executive Chairman, Mr. Khunkhun has been instrumental in elevating the profiles of undervalued companies and driving strategic growth.

Mr. Khunkhun’s success in incubating and scaling companies through capital raises, acquisitions, and spinouts is powered by an extensive network of high-net-worth investors, private equity, institutional investors, analysts, brokers, and bankers.

Mr. Khunkhun currently serves as a Director of Goldshore Resources and Gladiator Metals and as Director & Executive Chairman of Strike Point Gold. Additionally, he advises West Red Lake Gold Mines, Nations Royalty, and NexGold and is the Founder of Argenta Silver.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Dr. Nomi Prins to the show. Dr. Nomi Prins is Founder of Prinsights Global and Substack. This interview centers on the current state of precious metals markets, particularly gold and silver, highlighting significant market dynamics and future potential. Dr. Prins explains the recent volatility in precious metals, particularly the substantial price drop in silver, as primarily driven by technical trading events rather than fundamental market shifts. Nomi emphasizes that the sell-off was more a result of programmatic trading and margin announcements than actual market valuation changes. A key focus is the growing disconnect between paper and physical silver markets, with Shanghai exchanges showing substantial premiums for physical silver. Dr. Prins attributes this to increased eastern interest in physical metals, driven by geopolitical considerations, store of value concerns, and industrial necessities. She notes that the silver market is experiencing its fifth consecutive year of supply deficits, with the total deficit now equivalent to one year’s demand.

Regarding gold, multiple drivers are propelling its momentum, including geopolitical tensions, central bank purchasing, and potential future scarcity. Central banks are increasingly viewing gold as a strategic asset, with some institutions like Morgan Stanley recommending higher gold allocations in investment portfolios. Dr. Prins believes the precious metals market is still in its early stages, comparing it to being in the “first or second innings” of a potential long-term bull market. She highlights the critical minerals landscape, pointing out that 80% of critical minerals are processed outside the West, with China dominating processing capabilities for rare earth elements and other strategic metals. Looking forward, she sees significant investment opportunities in the sector, potentially offering substantial returns for long-term investors who understand the fundamental shifts in global commodity markets. Her analysis suggests that geopolitical tensions, supply chain restructuring, and increasing demand for critical minerals will continue to drive precious metals and related investments.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:00:47 – Recent Metals Volatility

00:02:51 – Shanghai Silver Premium

00:03:14 – Physical vs Paper Silver

00:06:22 – Silver Supply Deficits

00:08:05 – Incentivizing New Supply

00:09:38 – Industrial Demand Pain Points

00:11:07 – Gold Bull Market Drivers

00:14:15 – Central Bank Gold Buying

00:17:28 – Long-term Investment Strategy

00:19:49 – Global Debt Levels

00:22:07 – Demographics and Economic Growth

00:25:19 – Critical Minerals Supply Chains

00:28:58 – Concluding Thoughts

Guest Links:

X: https://x.com/nomiprins

Website: https://nomiprins.com

Substack: https://prinsights.substack.com

Dr. Nomi Prins as a Wall Street insider and outspoken advocate for economic reform, Nomi Prins is a leading authority on how the widespread impact of financial systems continues to affect our daily lives. She has spent decades analyzing and investigating economic and financial events at the ground level and meeting with those that shape the world’s geopolitical-economic framework. She continues to break stories by conducting independent research, writing best-selling books, and traversing the globe to share her knowledge and demystify the world of money.

Before becoming a renowned journalist and public speaker, Nomi reached the upper echelons of the financial world where she worked as a managing director at Goldman Sachs, ran the international analytics group as a senior managing director at Bear Stearns in London, was a strategist at Lehman Brothers and an analyst at the Chase Manhattan Bank. During her time on Wall Street, she grew increasingly aware of and discouraged by the unethical practices that permeated the banking industry. Eventually, she decided enough was enough and became an investigative journalist to shed light on the ways that financial systems are manipulated to serve the interests of an elite few at the expense of everyone else.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Mario Innecco to the show. Mario Innecco is Financial and Macro Economic Analyst, and also host of the ‘Manneco64’ YouTube Channel. The discussion centers on the current bull market in gold and silver, driven by several fundamental factors. Innecco highlights four primary drivers: de-dollarization, global debt challenges, geopolitical uncertainty, and the transition from a paper to a physical precious metals market. The de-dollarization trend is particularly significant, with countries seeking alternatives to the US dollar-dominated system. Central banks are increasingly buying gold, potentially aiming to hold 40% or more of their reserves in physical gold. The massive global debt, now around 300 trillion dollars, is making it increasingly difficult for governments to manage financial obligations, leading to potential financial repression and currency devaluation.

Mario emphasizes the importance of the Shanghai Gold Exchange in challenging the traditional Western paper trading markets. The exchange represents a shift towards physical trading, which could fundamentally change how precious metals are valued. He suggests that the transition from a paper to a physical market makes it harder to manipulate gold and silver prices.

Looking at potential price targets, Innecco draws parallels with historical bull markets, suggesting gold could reach as high as $8,300 based on previous price movements. He also discusses the possibility of a gold revaluation by the US Treasury, which could provide a financial windfall without adding to the national debt. The conversation extends to silver, which Innecco believes will continue to outperform gold, particularly in the latter stages of the current bull market. He recommends a conservative investment approach, suggesting investors allocate 90% to physical precious metals and 10% to mining stocks.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:12 – Gold’s Fundamental Drivers

00:04:30 – Debt and Financial Repression

00:05:10 – Paper Market Ending

00:09:42 – Silver Market Bifurcation

00:11:01 – Central Bank Buying

00:14:56 – Global Debt Inflation

00:19:51 – Gold Revaluation Potential

00:23:03 – Mystery Gold Flows

00:26:29 – BRICS Currency Remonetization

00:29:00 – Historical Bull Parallels

00:34:26 – Silver Bullish Breakout

00:39:27 – Commodity Rotation Outlook

Guest Links:

X: https://x.com/maneco1964

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/maneco64

Mario Innecco is a seasoned financial markets and macroeconomics analyst with over 25 years of experience in the industry. He began his career in private banking in Geneva, Switzerland, before spending two decades in the City of London, specializing in exchange-traded derivatives, government bonds, interest rates, and broader economic trends. During this time, he advised major financial institutions and corporate clients on market strategies and risk management.

A dedicated proponent of the Austrian School of Economics, Mario founded the maneco64 YouTube channel in November 2015, which serves as a platform for alternative economics and contrarian views. Through his videos, blog articles, and social media, he educates a worldwide audience on the intricacies of the fiat monetary system, financial markets, and the enduring value of precious metals like gold and silver.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Chris Rutherglen to the show. Chris Rutherglen is PhD Scientist/Engineer, Level 3 CFA, and publisher ‘The Gold Investor Research’ Substack. Chris provides a comprehensive analysis of gold and silver market cycles, utilizing a scientific approach to forecasting price movements. He explains that gold typically moves through distinct cycles, with particular focus on the current “rate cut period” and potential future “quantitative easing (QE) period”. Using sophisticated analytical tools, he tracks gold’s price movements relative to the Federal Reserve’s interest rate changes and monetary supply.

Rutherglen suggests gold is approaching its fifth intermediate cycle high, with a potential target range of $4,900 to $5,200. However, he believes the market may extend to a sixth intermediate cycle, potentially reaching around $6,700. Looking further ahead, he proposes a more dramatic long-term projection of gold potentially reaching $24,000 in the 2030s, based on historical debt-to-money supply ratios. For silver, Rutherglen applies similar analytical methods, projecting potential prices around $840, though he emphasizes these are speculative estimates based on current monetary trends. He notes that silver’s current price, while seeming high, is relatively consistent with historical inflation-adjusted prices.

Chris highlights several key indicators for tracking these cycles, including call and put option volumes, central bank purchases, and the relationship between gold prices and moving averages. He stresses that a true QE period would likely require significant economic stress, prompting substantial monetary intervention. His analysis suggests the current gold bull market still has potential room to grow, with the most significant gains potentially occurring during the future QE period. Rutherglen recommends investors remain attentive to economic indicators and be prepared for potential market shifts. Listeners can find more detailed analysis on his Gold Investor Research Substack, where he provides weekly updates and in-depth reports on precious metals market cycles.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:00:51 – Gold Cycle Position Overview

00:06:11 – Rate Cut Period Dynamics

00:08:16 – Mid-Cycle Level Explained

00:12:40 – Government Debt Impact

00:18:04 – Sixth Intermediate Cycle

00:22:25 – Market Indicators Analysis

00:25:35 – Gold Price Targets

00:30:18 – Options Volume Insights

00:33:21 – East-West Gold Flows

00:36:05 – Central Bank Purchases

00:37:48 – Bull Run Projections

00:40:06 – Silver Price Analysis

00:48:01 – Concluding Thoughts

Guest Links:

Substack: https://giresearch.substack.com

X: https://x.com/CRutherglen

Chris Rutherglen is a private investor whose primary occupation is in science & engineering with a focus on novel semiconductor devices for microwave and mm-wave applications. He began investing in the precious metal space in 2003 and has done well following a value-oriented investment approach. Although he has never been employed in the finance/investment field professionally, he did complete level 3 of the Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) program in 2011. Chris has a BS in physics from the California Institute of Technology and a Ph.D. in Electrical Computer Engineering from the University of California, Irvin

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Josh Young to the show. Josh Young is Chief Investment Officer & Founder, Bison Interests. The interview explores the current landscape of the global energy market, focusing on geopolitical risks, supply and demand dynamics, and investment opportunities in the oil and gas sector. Young provides a comprehensive analysis of potential geopolitical tensions, particularly surrounding Iran and the Middle East. He suggests that the current situation presents significant risks to global oil supply, with potential disruptions ranging from 1 to 20 million barrels per day. The geopolitical uncertainty is largely underappreciated by the market, creating potential opportunities for investors who understand these dynamics.

On the supply side, Josh highlights critical challenges in oil production. He notes that companies like Continental Resources are reducing drilling activities at current price levels, indicating that sustainable oil production may require prices in the $80-$90 range. The industry is experiencing a significant downcycle in both offshore and onshore exploration and development, with exploration success rates declining and existing reserves being depleted. Demand dynamics appear more robust than many analysts expect. Young argues that government stimulus, particularly in an election year, and emerging market growth could support oil consumption. He suggests that a potential economic slowdown might not necessarily reduce oil demand, as increased return-to-office trends could offset potential consumption reductions.

Regarding investment strategies, Young cautions against large integrated oil companies trading at high valuations. Instead, he recommends smaller producers with clean balance sheets, debt reduction potential, and attractive valuation metrics. He emphasizes the importance of companies that can pay down debt, buy back shares, and potentially offer high dividends. Young also discusses his Bison Insights substack, where he shares investment ideas in the energy sector. He believes the current market presents unique opportunities, drawing parallels to previous commodity cycles and highlighting the potential for significant returns in carefully selected energy investments.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:18 – Guest Welcome and Recap

00:03:01 – Silver Prediction Success

00:05:25 – Oil Geopolitical Risks

00:10:45 – Iran Production Impacts

00:16:34 – Risk Pricing Discussion

00:18:56 – China Oil Stockpiling

00:26:53 – Supply Cost Curve

00:30:51 – Underinvestment Trends

00:36:30 – Demand Surge Analysis

00:42:04 – US Consumer Strength

00:51:51 – Investment Pitfalls

00:57:10 – Debt Paydown Strategies

01:01:05 – Concluding Thoughts

Guest Links:

Substack: https://bisoninsights.info

X: https://x.com/BisonInsights

Website: https://bisoninterests.com

Joshua Young has been professionally investing in publicly traded oil and gas securities for nearly two decades, achieving benchmark outperformance as Bison’s CIO. Josh possesses a deep understanding of the E&P business model and operating environment, with notable experience as Chairman of Canadian E&P company RMP Energy (rebranded as Ironbridge Resources). Under Josh’s leadership, the company achieved a successful turnaround, outperforming peers and ultimately being acquired at a 78% premium. Josh is the author of numerous articles on oil & gas investments and is a frequent guest speaker at various energy industry conferences.

Prior to Bison, Josh began his career as a management consultant for Fortune 500 companies and private equity firms. He later worked as an investment analyst for a private equity fund and served as an energy investment analyst at a multi-billion-dollar single-family office, which was nominated as Institutional Investor’s Single Family Office of the Year in 2008. Josh holds a B.S. in Economics with honors from the University of Chicago.