Locked In with Ian Bick

Mike King started his career on patrol and SWAT with the Ogden City Police Department in Utah before becoming the lead investigator in the 1991 Zion Society case, involving a 120-member polygamist doomsday cult led by self-proclaimed prophet Arvin Shreeve. After a member came forward and revealed what was happening inside the group, Mike and his team launched a secret 24-day investigation that ended with coordinated raids on multiple homes, 32 children being removed from the group, and Shreeve and several members ultimately going to prison. Mike later led multi-agency task forces, served as Chief of Staff to the Utah Attorney General, trained in criminal profiling, and created Profiling Evil.
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Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick:
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Timestamps:
00:00 Mike King's Beginning
01:13 Growing Up in Salt Lake City
04:42 A Father's Legacy
05:31 Path to Law Enforcement
08:09 Applying Life Lessons
12:07 Surviving Electrocution
15:42 Early Days as a Cop
22:31 Impactful Calls
24:59 Life as a SWAT Officer
28:04 Finding Common Ground
30:00 Joining the DA's Office
34:49 The Encounter That Changed Everything
36:21 Understanding Cults
39:04 The Zion Society's Dark Secrets
45:46 Building the Case
48:48 Aaron's Courage to Leave
52:02 Dangerous Cult Leaders
54:18 Corroborating the Testimony
59:03 Adding the Bricks
01:01:45 Assembling the Evidence
01:05:44 Getting the Warrant
01:10:35 Why Not the FBI?
01:11:14 Keeping It Under Wraps
01:12:17 Planning the Raid
01:14:57 The Morning of the Bust
01:19:26 Finding the Hidden Weapons
01:22:32 Evidence and Money
01:24:15 Where Was the Leader?
01:25:03 Aftermath and Prosecutions
01:28:36 Sentencing and Justice
01:30:56 Career Evolution
01:32:50 The Satanic Panic
01:36:13 The Toll of the Work
01:38:38 Reconnecting with Survivors
01:46:31 A Path to Redemption
01:49:21 Retirement and Continued Career
01:51:27 Juries and Social Media
01:54:13 The Jury System at Risk
01:56:21 Advice to My Younger Self
01:58:04 A Family Mystery Solved
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Rick Fittin grew up in New Jersey, joined the Army, and went on to spend more than 25 years in law enforcement — working his way from patrol officer to K9 officer and eventually police chief. Along the way, he experienced the wild, funny, and unpredictable side of policing that most people never get to hear directly from the officers who lived it. After more than two decades on the job, Rick walked away from law enforcement and started an entirely new chapter of his life.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Rick Fitton: 25 Years Behind the Badge
00:37 Growing Up at the Jersey Shore
01:42 Rebellion and the Road to the Army
03:04 Joining the Army: A Life-Changing Decision
04:06 Basic Training: Fort Knox and the Realities of Military Life
06:24 Field Exercises, Helicopters, and Military Discipline
09:35 Family Loss and Staying the Course
10:23 Desert Storm and the National Training Center
11:21 Transition Back Home and Family Business
12:56 Getting Into Laundromats and Dry Cleaners
13:27 Grief, Ride Alongs, and the Call to Policing
14:38 Becoming a Police Officer: The Academy and First Steps
15:44 Starting in a Quiet Town and Moving to Seaside Heights
17:38 Mentorship and Learning from Leadership
19:39 The Long Grind: Applying and Rejection
21:17 The Life-Changing Phone Call
23:56 The Job Offer and a New Beginning
24:52 Early Patrol Days and 'Cowboy' Reputation
25:52 First DUI Arrest and a Sergeant's Tough Lesson
30:32 Sponsor Break: Weight Loss by HIMS
31:52 Cleaning Up the Department and Early Challenges
32:12 The Quest for a K9 Unit
34:00 Politics, the Prosecutor, and Getting a Dog
35:32 Meeting Biba: The Female German Shepherd
36:38 Canine School and 9/11: A Changing World
39:14 The First State Police Patrol Class
40:16 Training with Denny Mcweeney and the Iron Dog
44:08 Rescue: Woman Hanging from a Window
50:37 The Aftermath and the T-Shirt Story
52:53 Sponsor Break: Cash App
55:08 Back to the Dogs: The Agreement and Limitations
56:00 PCP and a Crazy Chase
01:00:00 The Chase Ends: A Physical Confrontation
01:02:34 Why I Chose Midnights and the K9 Life
01:03:48 A Tracking Award and a Kidnapping Case
01:07:33 Tracking Down the Suspect
01:09:36 After the Capture: The Loyalty of Biba
01:10:49 Nico: My Second K9 and the Bond
01:14:44 Losing Nico and the End of My K9 Career
01:19:00 Rescuing a Man from Icy Waters
01:23:00 The Icy Rescue Aftermath
01:25:14 Unexpected Encounters and Errant Drivers
01:27:52 Changing Culture in Policing
01:30:33 Working with the Community and an NCIC Hit
01:35:45 A Strange Case of Poisoned Food
01:38:24 Confronting the Wife and Getting a Confession
01:41:27 NYPD Homicide Detectives and a High-Profile Case
01:45:45 The Raid and the Outcome
01:49:45 A Near Shooting and the Watermelon Fight
01:54:00 The Courtroom and Lessons Learned
01:56:00 Resilience and an Unresponsive Male Call
01:58:25 A Homicide on the Second Floor
02:00:00 The Aftermath and Death Notifications
02:02:43 25 Years of Stories and Final Valor Award
02:03:13 Drug Recognition Expert: The Specialty Work
02:06:48 The Changing Landscape of Policing
02:08:24 Prisons, Reform, and the System's Failures
02:11:20 Mental Health and Resiliency in Law Enforcement
02:14:37 Hurricane Ida: A New Chief's Test
02:18:08 Water Rescues and the MRAP
02:21:20 Saving a Family and Returning Home
02:23:03 More Flooding and a Tire Plant Rescue
02:25:00 Retirement, Reinvention, and Advice for Officers
02:29:00 Turning the Page: Overcoming Adversity
02:31:00 Moving Forward: New Opportunities
02:33:00 Current Ventures and the Passion to Help
02:34:29 Reflecting on Success and Hard Work
02:36:27 A Lesson on Valuing What You Earn
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Kevin "Fresh" Townsend grew up in Brooklyn with his father in prison and his mother raising him on her own. He took to the streets at a young age, dropped out of high school, became involved with gangs, and started dealing drugs. Then, at just 19 years old, he landed on America's Most Wanted for a murder he says he did not commit. After two trials, Kevin was convicted and sentenced to 20 years to life in New York state prison. Over the next two decades, he ran with the Bloods, navigated Rikers Island, and survived some of New York's toughest maximum-security prisons. After serving 20 years, Kevin finally walked free — just two weeks before sitting down to record this episode.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Kevin
00:50 Growing Up in Brooklyn
02:10 The Impact of Having a Father in Prison
03:03 Street Lessons and Gang Life
03:57 Gambling and the Addiction to Money
06:10 The Routine of Gang Life
08:12 Staying Away from Selling Drugs
10:14 Family Love and His Father's Advice
12:56 Reading Books and Dreaming of a Better Life
14:27 A History of Violence and Fear
17:35 Charged with Murder
25:53 Arrest and Interrogation
27:31 Lack of Evidence and False Testimony
30:19 First Day at Rikers and the Start of Prison Life
34:00 First Trial and Mistrial
37:12 Convicted at the Second Trial
40:01 Sentencing and a 20-Year Prison Sentence
44:37 Failed Appeals and Losing Hope
48:53 Sent Upstate to Prison
51:18 Five Points and Adjusting to a New Life
54:00 Prison Rules and Survival Tactics
57:19 Solitary Confinement and Mental Struggles
59:49 Transfers Between Prisons and Different Experiences
01:04:18 Relationships with Other Inmates and Unexpected Events
01:07:57 Back in Solitary and Working on Himself
01:12:54 Released from Prison and Reuniting with Family
01:15:19 Adjusting to Life on the Outside
01:18:50 New Goals and Hope for the Future
01:23:22 Marriage and Relationship Struggles
01:26:29 Lessons from Prison and Advice for Young People
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Tyler Ryals couldn't get into the military, so at 18 years old he became a correctional officer in the Georgia state prison system. He quickly worked his way up, becoming one of the youngest CERT team commanders and sergeants in the system. Over nearly 10 years, he worked inside some of Georgia's most violent maximum-security prisons and witnessed firsthand how severe staffing shortages put both officers and inmates at risk. Eventually, Tyler became a whistleblower, speaking out about just how dangerous conditions inside Georgia's prison system had become — a decision that ultimately pushed him out of the career he had built.
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Timestamps:
00:00 A Brutal Attack
00:31 Tyler's Upbringing
01:42 Family and Early Plans
03:31 Failed Military Enlistment
04:45 Choosing Corrections
06:00 Age Requirements Then and Now
07:37 No Other Options
08:33 Juvenile Detention and Fight
10:15 The Legal Battle
13:44 Community Service
15:15 Inside YDC
17:44 Teenage Trouble
18:19 Parents' Reaction
20:04 Corrections Application
22:35 AG1 Advertisement
23:56 Training Begins
26:24 First Test
27:57 The Hole
28:50 Why Start in Max Security
29:25 BCOT Experience
30:53 Choosing a Shift
32:00 What is Tier?
35:13 Tier Program Expansion
36:20 Getting into Tier
37:00 Officer Role in Tier
40:14 Was the Tier Effective?
42:37 Career Goals
43:19 Joining the CERT Team
44:04 Cell Extraction Stories
45:00 Early Rise to Supervisor
45:50 Knife Extraction Part 1
49:40 Electrical Surprise
50:02 Hungryroot Ad
51:33 After the Extraction
52:15 Supervisor Pay and Benefits
53:37 High Turnover Reasons
54:36 First Day in Uniform
58:26 How Inmates Throw Poop
59:18 Getting Hit
01:00:00 The Flooding Incident
01:02:33 Keeping Professional
01:03:23 The Sour Milk Story
01:04:29 Dad's Advice
01:05:35 Worst Gangs
01:08:29 Paperwork and Snitches
01:10:57 Worst Thing Seen
01:13:31 State Reporting and Coverups
01:16:19 The 10% Reduction
01:17:18 Cash App Ad
01:19:52 First Misconduct by Staff
01:19:52 First Misconduct by Staff
01:21:00 Staff Shortages Worsen
01:23:19 Return to Telfair
01:25:40 Abandoned Buildings
01:27:40 Inmate-Reported Deaths
01:28:48 Dealing with Killers
01:29:39 Calling for the National Guard
01:32:48 The Whistleblowing Letter
01:33:56 Instructing and Realization
01:36:35 No Safety in Prisons
01:38:00 Meetings with Gang Members
01:40:20 Georgia State Prison Collapse
01:41:21 Buck Flaps
01:41:50 How Tyler Got Stabbed
01:46:10 Training Green Officers
01:48:20 Gear Shortages
01:49:45 The Cell Extraction Begins
01:52:08 The Struggle
01:57:40 The Aftermath
02:01:20 Machete Incident
02:02:00 Post-Extraction Chaos
02:02:30 Wrapping Up
02:03:00 Constitutional Violations
02:03:40 The Bloods vs GDs War
02:04:56 Final Thoughts
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James Kearney grew up in New York City as the son of a Rikers Island correctional officer. He originally wanted to become a teacher, but ultimately followed in his father's footsteps and joined the New York City Department of Correction in the late 1990s. By his third year on the job, he had become one of the youngest captains in Rikers Island history. But stepping into leadership exposed him to a side of the system he never expected — inexperienced people being placed in positions they weren't prepared for, and a culture that didn't always welcome those who challenged it. When James tried to address what he was seeing, he says he experienced the full weight of institutional retaliation. Less than a decade into his career, an injury on the job ultimately led to his medical retirement.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction: James Kernney's Rikers Story
00:45 Growing Up and Family Background
03:37 Father's Influence and Taking the Civil Service Test
05:50 The Job vs. Career: Advice for New Officers
07:20 Problems in the System: Contraband and Nepotism
09:29 The Best Kept Secret: Rikers Island
10:43 Promotion Process: Becoming a Captain
12:27 Mini Medical Incompetence and Weight Requirements
14:50 Fastest Promotion: Youngest Captain in History
17:27 Academy Life and First Days
19:42 First Assignment: C76 and Learning the Ropes
22:45 Queen's House: The Preferred Command
24:32 Sentenced vs. Remanded Inmates
26:42 First Lessons: Academy vs. Reality
29:00 Use of Force Directive and Its Flaws
32:25 Officers and Inmates: Handling with Care
34:05 Surprises: Nepotism and Comfort with Favors
36:49 Night Tours and Midnight Intake Duties
38:00 Midnight Intake Captain: Court Lists and Punitive Segregation
41:03 Captain's Role: Intake Challenges
42:27 Becoming Captain: Test and Training
44:54 Probationary Periods and Petty Charges
47:27 Transfer to Queen's Courts Division
50:53 Desire to Go to GRVC and First Assignments
52:50 Low Pay and Struggles for New Officers
53:04 Pay Raises and Retention Issues
57:01 Officer Housing and Commute Struggles
58:04 Captain's Pay and Rank Structure
59:18 Role as a Captain: Intake Nightmare
01:00:26 Trouble Begins: First Erroneous Discharge Charges
01:02:32 West Facility Discharge and Order to Produce
01:04:06 Second Incident: Mark Gastino and Retaliation
01:06:39 Facing Charges and Defending Actions
01:09:20 Charges Dropped but Warnings Persist
01:10:08 The Threat of Overholding Inmates
01:11:11 Release Procedures and Returning Inmates
01:13:20 Inmate Relations and Targeting Officers
01:14:21 Impact of Cameras on Inmate Behavior
01:15:27 Corrupt Staff and Personal Shocks
01:16:29 Further Retaliation: Free Tour and Use of Force
01:17:58 Infection and Surgery: Gangrene Scare
01:18:20 Chief's Nephew Incident and Consequences
01:20:12 Transfer to GRVC and More Trouble
01:22:05 Arrogance and Further Charges
01:23:25 Union Support and Family Advice
01:24:33 Final Incident: CMC Max and Cameras
01:26:20 Charges for Looking Angry and Medical Separation
01:29:20 Getting the Pension and Unemployment Struggles
01:31:35 Meeting His Wife and Family Life
01:33:53 Career End and Teaching Dreams Blocked
01:36:30 Why Not Marry Another Officer?
01:38:41 Advice for Officers and Mental Health Crisis
01:41:26 Psych Exams: A Joke and Stigma
01:44:12 Final Thoughts: No Regrets and Hopes for Return
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