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Is Flat Rate Driving Young Technicians Out of the Trade? with Tanner Watters
2026-09-01 | 2h 16 mins.Like the show? Show your support by using our sponsors.
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In this episode, Jeff Compton talks with Tanner Waters, a field and shop technician in rural Montana, about his path into the trade and what life is like working on tractors, combines, and hay equipment. Tanner shares his apprenticeship experience, field diagnostics, long drives, and major repairs while comparing hourly efficiency pay with flat rate.
The conversation also explores why younger technicians leave the industry, the importance of shop culture and leadership, technician communication, diagnostic time, training apprentices, and the future of agricultural equipment with autonomy, EVs, emissions, and right to repair.
Timestamps:
00:00 Shop Culture Wins
00:34 Podcast Intro and Guest Setup
01:45 Montana Life and Fishing Talk
02:43 How Tanner Got Wrenching
03:24 Corvette and Hemi Memories
05:43 Wrangler Ownership and Oil Cooler
08:41 Life as a Field Tech
11:55 Winter Regens and Emissions
13:36 From Kenworth to John Deere
14:32 Old-School Trucks and Cabovers
18:17 Apprenticeship Tools and Toolboxes
22:50 Princess Auto and Canada Road Trip
26:14 MMA Stories
31:02 The Missing Age Group in the Trade
32:00 The Flat Rate Gap
34:48 Recalls and PIPs
36:08 Why Technicians Leave
40:54 Hourly Efficiency Pay
51:18 Workflow Support Roles
55:03 Technicians Selling the Job
59:54 Pre-Authorizing Repairs
01:04:18 Why Diagnostics Take Time
01:09:50 Transmission Service Expectations
01:11:05 Free Diagnostics vs. Evaluation
01:13:08 Asking Better Questions
01:14:07 Intermittent Turbo Faults
01:15:19 Parts Quality Reality Check
01:18:39 Build Quality and Technician Pay
01:20:54 Training Apprentices the Right Way
01:23:27 Motivation and Career Paths
01:27:13 Turnover and Leadership
01:32:56 Ag Tech Levels and Certifications
01:34:08 Autonomy and Electric Agriculture
01:38:29 EVs in Rural Life
01:41:32 Muscle Cars and Collectors
01:44:49 Jeep Ducks Culture
01:45:53 The Top-Off Jeep Debate
01:47:13 Wrangler Tops and Leaks
01:48:26 Refrigerant Changes and 1234yf
01:49:58 AC Repair Customer Headaches
01:52:57 DIY Refrigerant Cans and Regulations
01:57:29 Right to Repair Deere
02:01:26 Technician Shortage and OTA Updates
02:04:36 Self-Driving and Subscriptions
02:08:54 Shop Culture and Career
02:13:35 Events, Sponsors, and Farewell
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In this episode, Jeff talks with Oregon technician Sean Pierce about his unconventional path into automotive repair, from car audio and alarms to trade school, ASE certifications, and advanced diagnostics. Sean shares lessons from working on exotic vehicles and Sprinters, explains why process and proper brake work matter, and discusses his shop’s hourly-plus-bonus pay structure and technician development pipeline. They also explore scan tools, hybrids and EVs, ADAS calibration, liability, parts quality, and the challenges of bringing the next generation into the trade.
Timestamps:
00:00 Trade School Journey
00:53 Podcast Intro and Wildfires
01:30 Farm Life and Animals
02:58 Toyota vs. Sprinter Shop Specialties
03:44 Sprinter Repair Nightmares
06:55 Car Audio and Euro Roots
10:57 Exotic Car Installs and Ferrari Stress
12:48 Becoming a Technician and Earning ASEs
15:52 Training Technicians the Right Way
18:00 Pay Plans and Shop Culture
20:21 Building a Community Reputation
26:14 Parts Quality and Counterfeit Components
35:26 On-Car Rotor Truing
38:40 Hub Preparation and Brake Vibration
41:28 Flat Rate vs. Quality
43:05 Proper Brake Bedding
45:56 Why Diagnostics Is Addictive
51:33 Setting Diagnostic Expectations
57:44 Audi S8 Diagnostic Nightmare
01:03:49 Scan Tools and Diagnostic Resources
01:08:38 Hybrids and EVs
01:13:03 EV HVAC Safety Warnings
01:14:11 ADAS and Calibration
01:15:53 Tesla and Self-Driving Reality
01:17:25 Calibration Liability and Pay
01:25:07 What Frustrates Technicians Today
01:27:49 How Passion Changes With Age
01:31:22 Side Work and Going Solo
01:40:15 Building the Next Generation of Technicians
01:48:13 Two-Year Goals and Wrap Up
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In this episode, Dustin Stutzman, a shop foreman and high-efficiency flat-rate technician, shares why he left engineering for the automotive industry and how he became a master technician without a dedicated mentor. Drawing from years in dealership service departments, Dustin explains how flat-rate pay, poor dispatching, and corporate policies often discourage quality repairs and technician development. The conversation explores AI, diagnostic pay, training, dealership culture, and what it will take to retain skilled technicians in the future.
Timestamps:
00:00 Learning Without Mentors
00:47 From Engineering to Automotive
01:51 Work-Life Balance and Career Values
04:45 AI and the Future of Service Advisors
07:16 Paying Technicians for Video Inspections
11:45 The Shop Foreman Role
14:07 Dispatching Work by Skill Level
17:19 Solving a Cold-Start No-Start Mystery
23:31 Fighting for Diagnostic Pay
24:50 Feeling Appreciated by Great Leadership
30:00 Leaving After Pay Cuts
34:46 Dealer Groups and Industry Consolidation
39:48 Becoming a Chrysler Master Technician
42:40 Life on the Training Road
43:27 Why Dustin Avoided GM
44:30 Diesel Emissions and Warranty Pay
49:02 Getting Diagnostic Time Approved Upfront
55:40 Quoting Worst-Case Repairs
57:53 Service vs. Parts Department Friction
01:03:41 Dispatch Roulette at Dealerships
01:05:15 Demanding Real Diagnostic Data
01:05:46 The Air Filter Diagnostic Lesson
01:11:25 Old-School Electrical Diagnostics
01:13:57 Chrysler Warranty Pay and the Neon Squeak
01:15:19 The 40-Hour Dash Rattle
01:16:46 Brick Road Dash Rattle
01:17:32 One-Shot Repair Success
01:18:06 Foam-Filled Repair Solution
01:19:25 Why Dustin Praises Chrysler WiTech
01:21:09 Preventive Maintenance Matters
01:22:34 Oil Change Reality Check
01:25:19 The Cost of Oil Neglect
01:29:45 Training Technicians Under Flat Rate
01:33:18 The Missing Career Path for New Techs
01:34:39 Learning by Doing
01:37:45 Advocating for Better Pay and Metrics
01:41:20 Dealer Groups and Technician Burnout
01:45:07 The Technician Shortage and Pay Gap
01:50:16 Keeping Great Technicians
01:53:16 Closing Thoughts and Upcoming Events
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In this episode, Jeff welcomes Pennsylvania technician Brian DeCesare to discuss how the automotive industry can rebuild customer trust through honest inspections, ethical recommendations, and consistent shop practices. Brian shares his journey from growing up in his father's body shop to working in independent repair shops, reflecting on burnout, poor shop culture, and the challenges of being the only productive technician. The conversation also covers technician training, right to repair, ADAS, TPMS, EVAP diagnostics, mental health, and why industry events are helping create a stronger automotive community.
Timestamps:
00:00 Trust and Estimates
00:46 Podcast Introduction and Guest
02:04 Growing Up Around Auto Shops
04:24 Choosing a Career in Automotive
05:59 School, Sales, and Training
07:36 First Shop and Subaru Lessons
11:30 Dealer vs. Independent Shops
14:22 Burnout as the Only Productive Technician
16:47 New Shop, Same Challenges
26:16 Building a Culture of Teaching
32:45 Explaining Diagnostics to Customers
33:39 Training Before the Internet
34:09 Meeting Industry Mentors
34:49 Calling Out Dishonest Shop Practices
38:40 Doing Right by Customers
41:30 The Reality of Dealership Life
44:42 Pay Structures and Incentives
46:38 Recommending Shops and Vehicles
49:13 Jeep Network Diagnostics
52:54 Programming Costs and Risks
57:21 Right to Repair and Over-the-Air Updates
01:03:53 ADAS Investment Challenges
01:05:42 Safety Technology vs. Shop Budgets
01:08:02 Privacy and Customer Trust
01:08:53 Parking Sensors and ADAS
01:09:28 Inspection Rules and Technician Responsibility
01:10:30 The Reality of TPMS Neglect
01:12:53 Self-Driving Vehicle Lockouts
01:13:27 Vehicle Subscriptions and Ownership
01:14:30 The Cost of Right to Repair
01:16:07 Losing Veteran Technician Knowledge
01:19:10 Shop Culture and Burnout
01:23:32 Mental Health and Addiction
01:28:15 The "Second 40 Hours" Trap
01:32:39 Pay Plans and Oil Change Pricing
01:39:56 Licensing and Vehicle Inspections
01:45:00 Safety Standards and Loopholes
01:46:57 Defeating Safety Systems
01:48:18 The Value of TPMS
01:49:20 Selling Tires with TPMS Sensors
01:52:15 Advisor Pricing Mindset
01:53:44 Proper TPMS Testing
01:55:42 Why EVAP Codes Matter
01:57:23 Solving the Technician Shortage
01:59:36 Improving Access to Tools and Training
02:03:37 Industry Events and Community
02:08:45 The Future of the Automotive Community
02:10:16 Reignited by Tools Conference
02:12:15 Final Thanks and Sign-Off
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In this episode, Jeff welcomes veteran technician Steve Blanchard to compare Quebec's hourly-pay system with Ontario's flat-rate model. Steve shares his journey from GM dealerships in Quebec to working in Ontario, explaining how different pay structures affect technician morale, quality, and shop culture. The conversation explores leadership, service advisor processes, warranty work, EV technology, right-to-repair concerns, and why rewarding quality—not just billed hours—creates stronger teams.
Timestamps:
00:00 Incentives Without Flat Rate
00:46 Podcast Introduction and Guest
02:35 Steve's Early Career in Quebec
05:39 Hourly Pay and Seasonal Layoffs
12:20 Why Quebec Doesn't Use Flat Rate
16:48 Moving to Ottawa
21:03 Red Seal Exam and Flat Rate Shock
22:53 Hands-On vs. Written Testing
28:18 How Flat Rate Hurts the Trade
34:41 Comebacks and Bad Incentives
36:37 Warranty Work and Cutting Corners
39:22 Teamwork vs. Competition
39:49 Training Your Replacement
40:34 Gatekeeping in the Shop
42:32 Dispatch Challenges
44:52 Switching to Hyundai
45:48 Hyundai Failures and Shop Politics
49:31 When Flat Rate Becomes a Punishment
51:40 Warranty Repair Blowup
56:09 Free Labor and Employee Loyalty
01:02:27 DIY Repairs and Safety Risks
01:06:17 EVs and Self-Driving Technology
01:10:12 Vehicle Data and Privacy Concerns
01:14:13 Subscription Features and Paywalls
01:16:52 Software Pricing Challenges
01:17:28 Affordable EV Truck Discussion
01:19:51 EV Charging Reality
01:21:00 EV Lockouts and Liability
01:22:37 The Right-to-Repair Debate
01:25:30 Technician Certification Changes
01:27:11 Remote Vehicle Control and Privacy
01:30:25 Flat Rate vs. Hourly Pay
01:32:18 Leadership and Shop Culture
01:40:04 The Role of Service Advisors
01:43:03 Injury, Career Longevity, and Exit Plans
01:44:45 Better Appointment Preparation
01:55:07 Wrap Up and Closing
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My name is Jeff, and I'd like to welcome you on a journey of reflection and insight into the tolls and triumphs of a career in automotive repair.
After more than 20 years of skinned knuckles and tool debt, I want to share my perspective and hear other people's thoughts about our industry.
So pour yourself a strong coffee or grab a cold Canadian beer and get ready for some great conversation.
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