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Steven Curtis & Mary Beth Chapman on Staying Married Through Joy and Heartbreak
2026-07-15 | 42 mins.What keeps a marriage standing after decades of walking through the ordinary and unimaginable?Steven Curtis Chapman and Mary Beth Chapman have spent more than 40 years together, raising a family while navigating a life in the public eye. Their new book, Still Here, is the story of this life–one shared by two imperfect people learning over and over again what it means to bear with one another in love.
The Chapmans join Russell from Steven’s home studio to reflect on marrying young, surviving seasons of insecurity, balancing family with a demanding career, and why the real work of marriage lies in showing up again, day after day. They also speak candidly about the tragic loss of their daughter Maria, and the deliberate decision they made to fight the enemy rather than one another.
This conversation is an honest reminder that faithfulness isn't the absence of hardship, rather, it’s trusting Christ together on the long road home.Resources mentioned in the episode:
Still Here: Life Together on the Long Way Home — Steven Curtis Chapman & Mary Beth Chapman
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Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices - Beth Moore returns as Russell's co-host for a conversation with acclaimed novelist Daniel Nayeri.
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It was Beth who first insisted Russell read Daniel's award-winning novel, Everything Sad Is Untrue. After dragging his feet to pick it up, Russell only had one regret: waiting so long.
Together, the three talk about Nayeri’s novels, including Everything Sad Is Untrue and his newest hit, The Teacher of Nomad Land. Daniel reflects on fleeing Iran as a child refugee, Beth shares why these books affected her so deeply, and all three consider the Christian hope (and Tolkien reference!) that gives Everything Sad Is Untrue its unforgettable title.
If you've ever wondered whether stories can make us more truthful—or whether every sad thing really will one day become untrue—you'll find this conversation both beautiful and deeply hopeful.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
Everything Sad Is Untrue (A True Story) — Daniel Nayeri
The Teacher of Nomad Land — Daniel Nayeri
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In this special Fourth of July episode, Russell revisits conversations with Ken Burns, Eddie Glaude Jr., Michael Luo, Jon Guerra, Yuval Levin, Sharon McMahon, and Jon Meacham to ask what faithful citizenship looks like in an anxious and divided age.
Guests in these conversations explore America's founding, its failures, the difference between patriotism and nationalism, the place of immigrants and strangers, the danger of political idolatry, and why Christians must resist both cynicism and sentimentalism.
If our ultimate citizenship is in the kingdom of God, perhaps that's precisely what frees us to tell the truth, love our neighbors, and seek the good of the country we've inherited—with gratitude, humility, and hope.
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