We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson

Kathy Griffin cancelled, controversy, losing everything overnight, and rebuilding after 7 years out of work. Kathy opens up about what really happened behind the headlines, why she regrets apologising, and how she survived losing her career, friendships, and identity overnight.

Kathy reflects on the fallout that followed, from being investigated and publicly condemned to losing 75% of her friends. She speaks about the anxiety that came with it, the pressure of being constantly judged, and why she believes the narrative around her story is only now starting to change.

Kathy also shares her journey into Hollywood, breaking through later than most and facing years of rejection about her looks and worth. From being told she wasn’t “pretty enough” to building a career on her own terms, she explains how she carved out success in an industry that often pushed her out.

She opens up about addiction, recovery, and the period where everything caught up with her. Kathy reflects on rebuilding her life, finding new friendships, and why she continues to speak out despite the risk of backlash.

Kathy Griffin, We Need To Talk

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00:00 Intro02:16 Kathy’s Childhood in 1960s Chicago
03:52 Racial Tensions in 1960s Chicago
06:23 Kathy’s Relationship With Her Parents
12:07 The Beginnings of Kathy’s Comedy in School
15:13 How Kathy Convinced Her Parents to Move to LA
18:44 Kathy and Her Family’s First Years in LA
21:56 The Beginnings of Kathy’s Acting Career in LA
26:25 Kathy’s Early Auditions and Break on The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
32:52 Kathy’s Relationship With Quentin Tarantino
37:54 Suddenly Susan and Kathy’s First HBO Special
53:55 Statistics on Gender and Comedy
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01:00:30 The Context Behind Kathy’s Relationship With Donald Trump
01:06:09 The Story Behind ‘That Photo’
01:09:52 The Media Backlash and Kathy’s ‘Cancellation’
01:15:16 How the Backlash Affected Kathy’s Mental Health
01:23:04 Paul Surprises Kathy With A Letter
01:25:19 How Kathy Bounced Back
01:31:17 Kathy Breaks Down Her Relationship History
01:36:23 Kathy’s Self-Esteem and Cosmetic Procedures
01:40:54 Kathy on Her Relationships With Famous Friends
01:43:44 Most Memorable Conversation
01:45:52 Paul’s Takeaways
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Anxious, avoidant or secure? Dr Amir Levine breaks down the science of attachment styles and why the way we connect in relationships shapes our emotional world. 

Dr. Amir Levine is a psychiatrist, neuroscientist, and bestselling author of Attached and Secure, whose work has transformed how millions understand attachment styles and relationships. In the first of a three-part series, Amir explains how anxious, avoidant, and secure patterns show up in adulthood, and how understanding them can completely change the way you experience love.

He shares the story behind his best-selling book and how a personal breakup led him to uncover research that had been hidden in academic papers for decades. Amir also challenges one of the biggest myths in psychology, explaining why your childhood accounts for less than 10% of your adult attachment style.

We’re Talking Attachment Styles with Dr Amir Levine (Part One)

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(00:00) Intro

(01:04) Paul Fanboys Over Dr Amir’s Work

(02:32) What Are Attachment Styles?

(04:01) The International Success of *Attached*

(04:55) Dr Amir Breaks Down the Three Main Attachment Styles

(08:30) How Do Attachment Styles Originate?

(12:13) How Attachment Styles Impact Our Lives

(14:02) Can We Change Our Attachment Styles?

(16:57) Dr Amir Explains the “My Attachment Topography Calculator”

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Kerry Katona returns to We Need To Talk with Paolo, opening up about finding love when she least expected it, the anxiety she was battling, and the heartbreak that ran alongside her happiest moments.

She speaks candidly about her relationship with Paolo, from meeting up after the cameras stopped rolling to blending their families and talking seriously about marriage. Kerry and Paolo also reflect on falling pregnant early in their relationship, the miscarriages they went through together, and what that loss brought up for them both.

Kerry also speaks honestly about going on tour with Katie Price, why everyone told her not to do it, and the 20-year friendship that still connects them despite how different they are. She reflects on the emotional toll of sharing so much on stage, the health scare that left her in hospital, and why her children’s approval means more to her than anything else.

Kerry Katona, We Need To Talk (again)

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(00:00) Intro

(00:58) Kerry is Back!

(02:32) The Impact of Kerry’s First Appearance on We Need To Talk

(11:49) Kerry’s Mindset Going into Appearing on Celebs Go Dating

(15:52) What Was It About Paolo That First Appealed to Kerry?

(17:18) How Kerry and Paolo’s Relationship Developed

(20:26) How Did Kerry and Paolo Deal With the Age Gap?

(22:26) Kerry’s Struggle With Anxiety Over The Past Year

(25:52) Kerry’s Health Scare

(27:51) The Emotional Impact of Kerry’s Tour with Katie Price

(31:57) Kerry and Paolo’s Interdependent Relationship

(35:24) Would Kerry Tour With Katie Price Again?

(37:07) The History of Kerry and Katie’s Friendship

(42:52) Kerry’s On Parasocial Relationships

(48:20) Paul Surprises Kerry With A Letter From Home

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(55:46) Paolo Joins Paul and Kerry

(01:00:09) What Has the Media’s Reception Been Like About Their Relationship?

(01:04:34) Paul Shows Kerry and Paolo a Family Photo

(01:06:32) How Do Kerry and Paolo Manage Their Blended Family?

(01:08:43) How Does Paolo Deal With the Parasocial Relationship Fans Have With Kerry?

(01:13:41) Kerry and Paolo Address ‘That Photo’ With Katie Price in Dubai

(01:14:57) Are Kerry and Paolo Moving to Spain?

(01:17:27) What Does Paolo Love About Kerry?

(01:21:21) Will Kerry and Paolo Get Married?

(01:24:00) Do Kerry and Paolo Want to Have Children Together?

(01:30:43) Most Memorable Conversation

(01:34:03) Paul’s Takeaways

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Talia Mar shares her journey with autism from feeling different as a child to being diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder at 24. She opens up about bullying, masking, sensory overwhelm, and the pressure of trying to appear confident while struggling internally. Talia also reflects on why autism in women is so often missed, how music became her outlet, and the relief that came with finally understanding herself. This conversation is an honest look at neurodivergence, identity and embracing the way your mind works. We’re Talking Autism

(00:00) Intro

(00:35) Talia Explains Why She Thinks She Was Bullied at School

(02:28) Talia on Masking and Dealing With Bullying at School

(03:27) What Advice Would Talia Give Her Younger Self?

(04:44) The Message Behind Talia’s Music

(07:53) Talia’s Autism Diagnosis at 24

(08:45) When Talia First Thought She Had Autism

(11:53) Why Talia Wasn’t Diagnosed Earlier

(14:16) Statistics Around Autism in Women

(15:26) How Life Might Have Been Different With an Earlier Diagnosis

(16:55) How Talia’s Parents Reacted to Her Diagnosis

(18:59) Would Talia Encourage Others to Seek a Diagnosis?

(19:44) How Miniminter Reacted to Talia’s Autism
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The Only Way Is Essex star Chloe Sims reveals the truth about TOWIE, fame, and the relationship she says took years of her life. She opens up about growing up without her biological mum, being bullied for her looks, and why part of her still feels like that young girl today. Chloe speaks honestly about the man she kept going back to, why she apologised for things she didn't do, and the moment she finally realised he was never going to change.

She also shares what reality TV was really like behind the scenes. From rehearsing arguments to shaking with nerves, Chloe explains how the pressure to perform affected her mental health and why she was never the “Ice Queen” people believed she was.

Chloe also reflects on motherhood and the lengths she went to protect her daughter from the spotlight. She speaks about filming House of Sims with her siblings, why making the show nearly broke her, and what starting again in America has taught her about love, family and self-worth.

Chloe Sims, We Need To Talk

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(00:00) Intro

(01:46) Paul Tells the Story of How He and Chloe First Met

(05:53) Chloe’s Upbringing in East London and Essex

(07:45) Chloe’s Family Situation Growing Up

(13:39) How Moving From East London to School in Essex Affected Chloe

(18:48) Paul Shows Chloe a Childhood Photo of Her and Joey

(20:08) How Joey’s Mother’s Death Affected Chloe

(28:05) Chloe’s Biggest Insecurity During Adolescence

(30:38) Chloe’s Life After School and a Toxic Relationship

(38:43) What Chloe Is Looking for in a Partner

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(42:20) How Chloe Was Cast in TOWIE

(51:57) How Chloe’s Life Changed After Joining TOWIE

(57:49) Chloe’s Darkest Moment on TOWIE

(01:06:26) Chloe’s Experience on Celebs Go Dating

(01:09:01) How Chloe Is Pigeonholed in the Reality TV Industry

(01:11:53) Chloe’s Current Dating Life and What She Wants in a Partner

(01:18:19) Chloe’s Experience of Perimenopause

(01:21:19) Chloe Asks Paul for Dating Advice During Perimenopause

(01:24:48) Paul Reads Chloe a Letter From a TV Industry Insider

(01:32:59) Paul Reads Chloe a Letter From Her Brother Charlie

(01:36:53) How Chloe Has Navigated the Media and Her Daughter Maddie

(01:40:16) The Biggest Lesson Chloe Has Learned From Motherhood

(01:41:35) Chloe Recounts Her Experience With Cosmetic Surgery

(01:45:08) Will Chloe Have Any More Cosmetic Procedures?

(01:46:59) Most Memorable Conversation

(01:49:17) Paul’s Takeaways

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