The Pastorate Podcast

Show Notes
Mountainview Church
Jeremy’s Website
Northern Roads by Jeremy Norton
The Yukon Boys
Jeremy’s Instagram
The Pastorate’s City Meetups
Episode Description
In today’s conversation, Jason sits down with Jeremy Norton, lead pastor of Mountainview Church in Whitehorse, Yukon. Jeremy’s story is one of patience and faithful presence in a part of Canada that many people have never seen firsthand. From southern Ontario to Alaska, Alberta, and eventually the Yukon, Jeremy reflects on the road that led him to serve Canada’s north and the deep sense of calling that kept drawing him there.
Jason and Jeremy talk about the realities of pastoral ministry in Canada’s smaller and more remote contexts. Jeremy shares what it has meant to pastor in a place marked by cultural diversity, geographic isolation, and deep spiritual need, and how those realities have shaped his approach to leadership, preaching, and life in the church. He also reflects on the unique burdens many pastors carry in smaller churches and under-resourced communities, along with the creativity, resilience, and dependence on God those settings can draw out.
The conversation also explores the ways Jeremy’s life in the North has shaped him personally. Through hunting, fishing, and subsistence living Jeremy is uniquely attuned to God’s provision through creation and he shares about what it means to receive life with dependence and gratitude. Jason and Jeremy reflect on how life close to the land can deepen faith, and why a more grounded, embodied way of living may have something important to offer in an age marked by distraction and disembodiment.
In this episode you’ll hear:
Jeremy’s journey to Whitehorse and his call to pastoral ministry in the Yukon,
What ministry in a smaller, remote, and diverse context can teach us about pastoring,
Why Jeremy carries a burden for under-resourced pastors and smaller churches across Canada,
How hunting, fishing, and subsistence living have shaped his faith and spirituality,
What faithful leadership can look like outside the world of scale, platform, and visibility,
Why embodied Christian community may matter even more in an increasingly digital world.
Partners
Special thanks to the Canadian Bible Society for making this episode possible. We invite you to explore their ⁠Bible Course⁠ to help your church grow in Scripture engagement.
We couldn’t do the work we do at The Pastorate without your generous support. We invite you to pray, share, and ⁠give⁠ towards seeding a hope-filled future for the Canadian church.

Show Notes
Analog Church Book Giveaway
The Pastorate’s City Meetups
⁠Andy Crouch Conversation on Practicing the Way⁠
Jay Kim’s website
WestGate Church
Analog Church by Jay Kim
Analog Christian by Jay Kim
Listen, Listen, Speak by Jay Kim

Episode Details
In today’s episode, Jay Kim joins Jason for a conversation on pastoral ministry, spiritual formation, and what it means to follow Jesus faithfully in a world shaped by speed, distraction, and rapidly changing technology. Jay reflects on how digital culture is reshaping our imaginations, our communities, and even our understanding of what it means to be human.
Jay also speaks candidly about the personal cost of pastoral leadership. He shares the pain and formation that came through difficult ministry seasons, the relational complexity of stepping into senior leadership, and the grief that often accompanies pastoral vocation. Together, Jason and Jay discuss how pastors can resist the extremes of fear and uncritical acceptance of technological change, and instead offer their communities a grounded, human, Christ-centered vision of life together.
Jay and Jason explore:
Jay’s story of pastoral ministry, from teaching pastor to senior leadership, and the formative hardship of his years serving in Santa Cruz,
What it was like returning to WestGate as lead pastor, and the joy, grief, and relational complexity that can come with stepping into a new role,
Why pastors need honest friendships outside their immediate ministry context, especially when leadership feels isolating or painful,
How Silicon Valley has sharpened Jay’s thinking about discipleship, formation, and the deeper questions being raised by technology and AI,
Asking “what does it mean to be truly human, and how does Jesus show us the answer?” 
How pastors can respond to technological change without either fear or naïve optimism, and instead embody a slow, careful, non-anxious presence for their people,
The opportunity for the local church to become a deeply human, countercultural community in an increasingly artificial and polished world,
Why, in an age obsessed with scale, polish, and efficiency, one of the most powerful gifts pastors can offer is simple, flawed, embodied personhood.

Partners
Contact John Wright at Generis for help cultivating a culture of generosity in your church.
We couldn’t do the work we do at The Pastorate without your generous support. We invite you to pray, share, and ⁠give⁠ towards seeding a hope-filled future for the Canadian church.

In this conversation, Jason Ballard sits down with N.T. Wright, New Testament scholar, Anglican minister, and longtime teacher, to talk about the grand story of Scripture, the vocation of the scholar-pastor, and the unique hope that sustains weary leaders.
Tom reflects on his early sense of call, his lifelong commitment to holding together pastoral ministry and academic theology, and the deep joy of returning to Scripture over decades without losing wonder. He speaks candidly about the disorientation that can come through serious theological study, and offers wise, pastoral insight for those walking alongside students and pastors in seasons of theological questioning.
Jason and Tom also explore the central burden behind Tom’s recent book God’s Homecoming. They discuss why the biblical story is not ultimately about leaving earth for heaven, but about God coming to dwell with His people and renew all things. From Romans 8 to the Psalms, from the Sermon on the Mount to the road to Emmaus, Tom helps reframe the Christian hope as resurrection, new creation, and the healing of the world under the reign of the risen Christ.
Jason and Tom discuss:
Tom’s early sense of call and the path that led him into both parish ministry and academic theology,
Why the work of pastor and scholar belong together,
How deep study of Scripture can lead not to cynicism, but to renewed wonder,
How pastors can lovingly walk with people through seasons of theological disorientation,
Why learning to preach the whole story of Scripture matters so deeply,
The central vision behind God’s Homecoming and the Bible’s theme of God dwelling with His people,
The Psalms as a lifelong school of prayer,
Why Eastertide should be marked by joy, celebration, and embodied hope,
and a final word of encouragement for discouraged pastors.
This is a rich conversation for pastors, preachers, seminary students, and anyone longing to love Scripture more deeply, live more faithfully in the story of God, and find inspiration in the midst of ministry’s daily rhythms. 
Links & Resources
N.T. Wright Online
God’s Homecoming
Surprised by Hope
Partners
Special thanks to the Canadian Bible Society for making this episode possible. We invite you to explore their ⁠Bible Course⁠ to help your church grow in Scripture engagement.
We couldn’t do the work we do at The Pastorate without your generous support. We invite you to pray, share, and ⁠give⁠ towards seeding a hope-filled future for the Canadian church.

In this conversation, Jason Ballard sits down with Cass Langton, pastor, worship leader, and longtime creative leader, to talk about church planting, healing after ministry transition, and why creativity and beauty matter deeply in the life of the church.
Cass reflects on the surprising journey that led her and her family from 26 years at Hillsong into planting The Local Church in Sydney. She shares honestly about the slow and painful work of healing after ministry transition, the importance of resisting reactionary leadership, and the grace of learning to recognize God’s presence in the quiet, ordinary moments of life.
Jason and Cass also explore the unique calling of creatives in the church. Together, they discuss how pastors can better understand, value, and disciple creatives, why beauty is a primary matter in the Kingdom of God, and how the church can become a place where artists, musicians, writers, and makers are spiritually and creatively nurtured. 
This is a rich conversation for pastors, church planters, worship leaders, and anyone longing to see the church become more beautiful, imaginative, and alive to the presence of God.
Jason and Cass discuss:
Cass’s journey from Hillsong to planting The Local Church Sydney,
How healing, rest, and recalibration shaped the season before launching something new,
Learning to see the “miracles in the mundane” in pastoral ministry,
The role of beauty and creativity in the mission of God,
How churches can cultivate and pastor creatives well,
Why creatives need community, formation, and care, not just opportunities to serve,
Practical ways pastors can bless and release artists in their churches.
Show Notes
The Local Church Sydney
The Hopeful Rhino
Instagram

Partners

We couldn’t do the work we do at The Pastorate without your generous support. We invite you to pray, share, and ⁠give⁠ towards seeding a hope-filled future for the Canadian church.

Contact John Wright at Generis for help cultivating a culture of generosity in your church.

Today on the podcast, Jason is joined by Dr. Henry Cloud. Henry is a clinical psychologist, leadership consultant, and bestselling author whose work has helped shape the leadership of countless pastors and ministry leaders over the past several decades. Many will know him through books like Boundaries, Integrity, and Necessary Endings, where he brings together insights from psychology, relationships, and leadership to help people grow in health and effectiveness.
In this conversation, Henry reflects on his unlikely path from pursuing a career in golf to studying theology, psychology, and eventually working with leaders across both ministry and organizational contexts. Along the way, he developed a deep care and concern for pastors, those who carry enormous responsibility while often receiving very little care themselves.
Together, Henry and Jason explore the pressures of pastoral leadership and the unique challenges faced by pastors. Henry shares insights from decades of working with leaders, offering a framework for leadership that moves beyond personality or charisma and toward a set of functions that can be learned and practiced over time.
Together, Henry and Jason discuss:
Why pastors often find themselves pouring out for others with very few places to be cared for themselves,
Why leadership is not merely instinct or gifting, but a craft that must be learned and practiced,
The importance of humility and discernment in navigating complex leadership decisions,
Why pastors must pursue healing and self-awareness as part of their leadership formation,
And the crucial role of trusted relationships outside the ministry system for growth and accountability.
Throughout the conversation, Henry speaks with deep respect for pastors. His encouragement is both honest and hopeful: sustainable leadership requires humility, intentional support, and a commitment to becoming whole as we lead others.
Show Notes
⁠Dr. Henry Cloud Website
Books by Dr. Henry Cloud
Boundaries.me – Dr. Cloud’s platform for personal growth, mental health, and relationships
City Meetups
The Emerging Leaders Lab
Partners
Special thanks to the Canadian Bible Society for making this episode possible. We invite you to explore their ⁠Bible Course⁠ to help your church grow in Scripture engagement.
The work of strengthening pastors across Canada is only possible because of generous partners like you. As we look to the future, would you consider joining us in prayer, sharing this episode, or ⁠making a gift to invest in a vibrant, Jesus-centered church in every community⁠?