The Pastorate Podcast

Show Notes
Learn More about The Emerging Leaders Lab
Glenn Packiam’s The Resilient Pastor
Mark Buchanan’s What is Left of The Night
Give to our $30,000 Match Campaign
The Pastorate Conference
The Pastorate's City Meetups
The Pastorate Pastors Retreat
Episode Notes
This summer, we're taking you inside the two pastoral formation cohorts at the heart of The Pastorate: the Emerging Leaders Lab and the Lead Pastor Fellowship. Over four episodes, we're sharing the best teaching from this past year’s Lab and Fellowship and sitting down with participants from both programs to hear what an intentional season of formation actually does in the life of a pastor. This is the first episode of our four part series, replaying some of the best moments from last year’s Emerging Leaders Lab.
The Emerging Leaders Lab just wrapped up its third year and kicked off its fourth year. In the 2025-2026 cohort, 24 pastors gathered monthly on Zoom to sit under the teaching of a remarkable lineup of guest teachers, and to do the thing you rarely get to do with someone you've only read or listened to: ask their questions, out loud and in real time. Each guest came to teach around one of the eight formation areas that shape the Lab, covering everything from calling and community to character and craft. In this episode, our team pulled together the moments the cohort named as most impactful.
In this episode you’ll hear from:
Glenn Packiam on why pastors need a constellation of relationships and the diverse voices every pastor needs around them: rulers, peers, sages, healers, and friends.
Carey Nieuwhof on burning out in the middle of a decade of explosive growth, finding your line, and how this generation of pastors can finish differently.
Helen Burns on why balance is a misaligned goal, what to anchor to instead, and the confession she keeps hearing from pastors: my soul is so tired.
Jason Ballard on the difference between the friends you play with and the deep friends who know your shadow side, say the hard thing, and have to be pursued on purpose.
Lance Odegard on why you can't know your calling until you know your design, blind spots and the true self, and the game-changing leadership question: how do you experience me?
Mark Buchanan on the difference between who you're called to be and what you're called to do, and why the calling on your life can't be revoked.
With thanks to the many other voices who contributed to the Lab this past year, including Darrell Johnson, Chris Price, Mark Peters, Milissa Ewing, and Preston Pouteaux.
Partners
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Show Notes
The Pastorate Conference
Give to our $30,000 June Match Campaign
Mark Clark’s Website
Village Church Website
Bayside Church Website
The Mark Clark Podcast
The Problem of Life by Mark Clark
The Pastorate's City Meetups
The Pastorate Pastors Retreat
Episode Description
In today's conversation, Jason sits down with Mark Clark, the pastor who planted Village Church in British Columbia, and now the Global Senior Pastor at Bayside Church in California. Mark’s story includes an atheist upbringing in Ontario, a late-teen conversion, a dream of becoming an academic at Oxford, and a call to plant a church in one of the most secular corners of North America. What began with sixteen people in his living room grew into one of the fastest-growing churches in Canada, and Mark reflects with both gratitude and candor on the road that took him there.
Jason and Mark talk about the patience that shaped their early ministry years, waiting for the right time, the right people, and the right season to plant churches. Mark opens up his convictions around preaching, describing how he learned to speak to the skeptic and the lifelong believer in the same room, and why he refuses to choose between reaching the lost and discipling the found. He's also honest about the cost of leading through rapid growth, including the burnout seasons that left him preaching dizzy and gripping the pulpit to stay upright.
The conversation also turns to what it meant to leave the church he founded and entrust it to leaders he loves, and the insecurity that keeps many leaders from transitioning. Drawing on Zechariah 10, he candidly describes his calling as making warhorses out of sheep, a vision he holds with both conviction and a winsome humility
In this episode you'll hear:
How an atheist kid from Ontario became a church planter in one of Canada's most secular cities,
Why patience, the right time, people, and season, mattered more than urgency in the plant,
How to preach to the skeptic and the lifelong believer in the same room,
What the burnout seasons cost Mark, and the team decision that reshaped his preaching,
Why he left the church he founded, and what it's been like to watch it flourish under new leadership,
How Zechariah 10 reframed his calling around raising and releasing the next generation of leaders.
Partners
Would you consider giving to our summer match campaign? Every donation in June will be matched by a generous donor up to $30,000.
Generis has created a Pastorate-exclusive Generosity Cohort. Over one year, eight pastors leading churches with annual budgets under $1 million will journey together, coached by Jon Wright, who will help develop a customized generosity plan for their church. Because it’s cohort-based and designed for Canadian pastors, it offers a more affordable option than 1on1 coaching. This cohort launches in July 2026 and is limited to eight pastors. If this sounds like it could serve you and your church, you can reach out to Jon Wright here.

Show Notes
Give to our $30,000 Match Campaign
Contact Josh from The Pastorate to Give on Behalf of Your Church
Contact Jon Wright from Generis
Enter to Win 1 of 5 copies of All Things Together
Heath’s Website
Buy All Things Together
Episode Description
On today's episode we welcome Heath Hardesty, Lead Pastor of Valley Community Church in Pleasanton, California, and author of All Things Together: How Apprenticeship to Jesus Is the Way of Flourishing in a Fragmented World. Heath's journey into pastoral ministry began as a plumber's apprentice and eventually grew into an apprenticeship of a different kind, one where he learned to follow the call of Jesus and eventually to shepherd a local church.
This conversation traces Heath's story, from studying literature and theology, playing in bands, and apprenticing under his plumber father, before a moment of encounter through the Scripture stirred his heart toward a life in the pastorate. Jason and Heath explore Heath’s book All Things Together which offers a vision of Christian apprenticeship built on union, abiding, obeying, and imaging and they discuss why imagination shapes the way we inhabit the world, the role of story in a fragmented age, and what it means to re-inhabit reality in the way of Jesus.
In this episode you'll hear:
Heath's journey from a plumber's truck and a music career to the pastorate, 
How a moment under a sink, holding an orange-painted wrench like his father, became his inspiration for All Things Together, 
Why apprenticeship to Jesus is the essence of being human, not an optional "side quest" for mature Christians,
What disintegration looks like in our culture and in our souls, and why our age acts as an amplifier of fragmentation,
The role of story and imagination in helping people re-inhabit reality in the way of Jesus,
Why "technique" and efficiency are at odds with being stewards of the mysteries of God,
How the greatest gift a pastor brings to a congregation may simply be the person they are becoming.
For every pastor learning the slow craft of shepherding, this conversation offers a frame for the work, and a reminder that you, too, are an apprentice. May it encourage you wherever you're serving.

Show Notes:
First Assembly Church
Tehillah Worship
The Pastorate's City Meetups
Episode Notes:
In today's episode, Ben Johnson joins Jason for a conversation on pastoral stewardship, generational legacy, and what it looks like to lead a nearly century-old church into its next chapter. Ben is the Lead Pastor of First Assembly Calgary, a Pentecostal church planted 97 years ago that has helped birth many other Pentecostal congregations across both Calgary and western Canada. Together they trace the story of First Assembly, the 35-year-old Tehillah Mondays gathering, and the heart that First Assembly has for worship, prayer, and the next generation. 
Jason and Ben also explore the joy and weight of fathering young leaders, the family legacy that traces Ben's grandfather's salvation back to First Assembly's downtown building decades ago, and the formative season of revival at Christian Life Assembly in 1998. The conversation closes with Ben sharing First Assembly’s Vision 100, a stewardship-shaped initiative to double the impact of First Assembly in the next 100 years.
Ben and Jason explore:
The history and identity of First Assembly Calgary as a "mothering” and “fathering" church that has planted or helped plant many other Pentecostal churches in the city,
The 35-year story of Tehillah Mondays and how a single worship gathering has continued to serve generation after generation in Calgary,
What Ben learned by sitting with the saints of the church to discern God's specific purpose for a local congregation, and the role an eldership's fasting and prayer played in his transition,
Why First Assembly is next-generation focused, and how that shapes worship, budgets, staffing, and Sunday gatherings without losing the honor due to senior saints,
The cradle-to-college discipleship pathway, the Tehillah Schools for teenagers and adults, and how this has become the "farm team" for nearly all of First Assembly's staff,
What young staff and leaders actually need from a lead pastor,
First Assembly’s Vision 100 and stewarding the church toward its 100-year anniversary with a strategy to reach, revitalize, and reproduce in Calgary.
Partners
Contact John Wright at Generis for help cultivating a culture of generosity in your church.
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Show Notes
Mountainview Church
Jeremy’s Website
Northern Roads by Jeremy Norton
The Yukon Boys
Jeremy’s Instagram
The Pastorate’s City Meetups
Episode Description
In today’s conversation, Jason sits down with Jeremy Norton, lead pastor of Mountainview Church in Whitehorse, Yukon. Jeremy’s story is one of patience and faithful presence in a part of Canada that many people have never seen firsthand. From southern Ontario to Alaska, Alberta, and eventually the Yukon, Jeremy reflects on the road that led him to serve Canada’s north and the deep sense of calling that kept drawing him there.
Jason and Jeremy talk about the realities of pastoral ministry in Canada’s smaller and more remote contexts. Jeremy shares what it has meant to pastor in a place marked by cultural diversity, geographic isolation, and deep spiritual need, and how those realities have shaped his approach to leadership, preaching, and life in the church. He also reflects on the unique burdens many pastors carry in smaller churches and under-resourced communities, along with the creativity, resilience, and dependence on God those settings can draw out.
The conversation also explores the ways Jeremy’s life in the North has shaped him personally. Through hunting, fishing, and subsistence living Jeremy is uniquely attuned to God’s provision through creation and he shares about what it means to receive life with dependence and gratitude. Jason and Jeremy reflect on how life close to the land can deepen faith, and why a more grounded, embodied way of living may have something important to offer in an age marked by distraction and disembodiment.
In this episode you’ll hear:
Jeremy’s journey to Whitehorse and his call to pastoral ministry in the Yukon,
What ministry in a smaller, remote, and diverse context can teach us about pastoring,
Why Jeremy carries a burden for under-resourced pastors and smaller churches across Canada,
How hunting, fishing, and subsistence living have shaped his faith and spirituality,
What faithful leadership can look like outside the world of scale, platform, and visibility,
Why embodied Christian community may matter even more in an increasingly digital world.
Partners
Special thanks to the Canadian Bible Society for making this episode possible. We invite you to explore their ⁠Bible Course⁠ to help your church grow in Scripture engagement.
We couldn’t do the work we do at The Pastorate without your generous support. We invite you to pray, share, and ⁠give⁠ towards seeding a hope-filled future for the Canadian church.