Science of Reading: The Podcast

• S9 E11: Writing the way to better reading, with Judith Hochman, Ed.D.

  In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Judith Hochman, Ed.D., co-author of “The Writing Revolution.” Their conversation begins as Dr. Hochman recalls the early days of writing instruction and research, then delves into the connection between better writing and better reading. Dr. Hochman touches upon topics such as writing comprehension, her experience implementing writing instruction as a classroom teacher and as an administrator, and how the writing revolution came to be. She also answers a question from our listener mailbag, providing a detailed overview of the scope and sequence for transitioning student writing from sentence composition to paragraphs to whole texts.Show notes:ResourcesRead: The Writing Revolution 2.0: A Guide to Advancing Thinking Through Writing in All Subjects and Grades Website: The Writing RevolutionRead: “The Writing Revolution” in The Atlantic Join our community Facebook group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreadingConnect with Susan Lambert: www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-b1512761/Quotes:“I had an epiphany that our students really had to learn writing as a second language.” —Judith Hochman“Having students write a lot is not teaching writing. It's just like if you put a lot of books in a classroom, students don't magically begin to read.” —Judith Hochman“This is not learned by osmosis, and it's not learned by vague feedback like, ‘Make it better,’ or, ‘Add more details.’ You've got to be very granular. This is not a naturally occurring skill in human development for any of us.” —Judith HochmanEpisode timestamps*03:00 Introduction: Who is Judith Hochman?06:00 Time as an administrator09:00 Judith’s early days of teaching writing11:00 Classroom activities for teaching students to write 12:00 Atlantic article and NYC high school case15:00 The writing revolution16:00 How kids learn to write based on the research20:00 Listener mailbag question21:00 Writing and comprehension27:00 Transitioning from writing sentences to writing paragraphs 34:00 Final thoughts*Timestamps are approximate

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• S9 E10: Phonology as a settled science, with Jane Ashby, Ph.D.

  In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Jane Ashby, professor in the Reading Science doctoral program at Mount St. Joseph University. They define the concept of “settled science” as a jumping-off point before digging into phonology and the argument for not always basing your teaching practice on the newest research. Dr. Ashby touches on the impact of phonology on comprehension, the Matthew Effect, and why the term “instant words” is more accurate than “sight words.” You’ll walk away from this episode with two practical exercises Dr. Ashby recommends for teaching students to transfer oral segmenting and blending to reading and writing tasks.Show notesConnect with Jane Ashby: Mt. St. Joseph UniversityResourcesTeaching Phonemic Awareness in 2024: A Guide for EducatorsRead: Phonological recoding and self-teaching: sine qua non of reading acquisitionMore: The Four-Part Processing Model for Word RecognitionRead: Matthew effects in reading: Some consequences of individual differences in the acquisition of literacy.Join our community Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreadingConnect with Susan Lambert: www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-b1512761/Want to hear more of Dr. Ashby? Listen to the bonus episode! Quotes“To store a vocabulary word, it's not enough to have the meaning. You have to have the entry for it, and the entry for it is the sound form of the word.” —Jane Ashby“The greatest gift you can give a kid is letting them know that you see that they're special and that they have something unique that they bring to the world. But the second piece is really, can you help them become a confident, independent reader?” —Jane AshbyEpisode timestamps*2:00 Introduction: Who is Jane Ashby?6:00 Defining and contextualizing “settled science”13:00 Phonology as settled science17:00 Instant words vs sight words20:00 How phonology impacts comprehension26:00 Connection to the Matthew Effect31:00 Listener mailbag question: How do you suggest teachers teach students to transfer oral segmenting and blending to reading and writing tasks?37:00 Teaching phonemic awareness guide39:00 Research that should influence teacher practice41:00 The greatest gift you can give a child*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

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• S9 E9: Identify Developmental Language Disorder in your classroom, with Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.

  In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Tiffany Hogan, a professor at MGH Institute of Health Professions in Boston, who studies the connections among speech and language and literacy across time in children. Together, Susan and Dr. Hogan explore the complexities of language, the components that form language, and the significance of language for literacy. Dr. Hogan explains Developmental Language Disorder (DLD)—its characteristics, its prevalence, and the challenges in recognizing it. She emphasizes the importance of supporting children with DLD and the role of educators in making a difference long-term. She also provides listeners with effective strategies for supporting children with oral language deficits, offers insights into the relationship between background knowledge and language, and answers questions from our listener mailbag.Show notes: Connect with Tiffany HoganX: @tiffanyphoganFacebook: sailliteracylabInstagram: @seehearspeakpodcastPodcast: seehearspeakpodcast.comResourcesWebsite: DLDandMe.org Read: A Review of Screeners to Identify Risk of Developmental Language DisorderWebsite: Raising Awareness of Developmental Language DisorderListen: SeeHearSpeak podcast with Tiffany HoganPolicy Paper: If we don’t look, we won’t see: Measuring language development to inform literacy instructionListen: Focused implementation: Doing less to do more, with Doug Reeves, Ph.D.Join our community Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreadingConnect with Susan Lambert: www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-b1512761/Listen to Beyond My Years: Building an education network to make change, starring A. Simone McQuaige.Quotes: “Neurodiversity means that we have lots of different ways to think, and we each come to the table with different brain structures” –Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D. ”Oral language difficulties are a crystal ball into reading comprehension” –Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.“You, as an educator, can be the one that really makes a difference for that child. It only takes one person to make a huge difference in the life of a child” –Tiffany Hogan, Ph.D.Episode timestamps*02:00 Introduction: Who is Tiffany Hogan?04:00 Defining language05:00 Language development and its Impact on literacy10:00 Variability in language learning11:00 Developmental Language Disorder (DLD)18:00 Challenges in Identifying and Supporting DLD20:00 The Importance of Vision Screening21:00 Universal Screeners for DLD24:00 Listener mailbag: How can educators most effectively help students with oral language deficits in early childhood prepare and develop literacy?28:00 The Connection Between Language and Background Knowledge30:00 Understanding DLD and Its Challenges33:00 The Role of Speech Language Pathologists35:00 Final Thoughts

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• S9 E8: Cognitive science-informed teaching, with Natalie Wexler

  In this episode, Susan Lambert rejoins podcast alum Natalie Wexler to discuss Natalie’s new book Beyond the Science of Reading: Connecting Literacy Instruction to the Science of Learning. Listeners will gain insights into why this topic is important, what this book offers educators, why Natalie was so drawn to writing this book, and what cognitive science-informed teaching looks like in general. Natalie addresses how cognitive load theory works in practice with literacy, misconceptions about focusing only on phonics, and scaling science-informed instruction. Natalie also answers a question from the listener mailbag about encouraging colleagues to adopt an evidence-based approach.Show notes: Connect with Natalie Wexler:Website: nataliewexler.comPre-order Beyond the Science of Reading: Connecting Literacy Instruction to the Science of Learning: https://ascd.org/books/beyond-the-science-of-reading?variant=125006Substack: Minding the Gap, by Natalie WexlerResources:Listen: Special: Why the Science of Reading isn't just about reading, with Natalie WexlerListen: Conversation with Make It Stick author Peter C. Brown Listen: Cognitive load theory: Four items at a time, with Greg AshmanSubstack: The Bell Ringer by Holly KorbeyJoin our community Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreadingConnect with Susan Lambert: www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-b1512761/Listen to Illinois administrator Serena Klosa on Beyond My Years!Quotes: “We’re overlooking the ways in which the typical approach to teaching reading comprehension and writing actually conflict with what cognitive science tells us about how people learn to do those things.” —Natalie Wexler“We spend much more time trying to teach…them to read, but we kind of expect them to just pick up writing. You know, for most kids, it does not happen.” —Natalie Wexler“No matter how good you are at making inferences, if you don't have the requisite background knowledge, you're not gonna be able to do it.” —Natalie Wexler“It doesn't work to just ask inexperienced writers to just write down stuff. That is not going to provide the cognitive benefits.” —Natalie WexlerEpisode timestamps*02:00 Introduction: Who is Natalie Wexler?04:00 Natalie’s new book07:00 What is the science of learning?11:00 Connecting the science of learning to reading, writing, literacy14:00 Automaticity and cognitive load theory17:00 Transferable vs non-transferable skills22:00 Strategies to release cognitive load when learning new skills24:00 Learning to write, writing to learn.29:00 Bringing science informed teaching to scale32:00 What readers will take away from the book33:00 Mailbag question: How can one person get more colleagues to use an evidence-based approach?36:00 Final thoughts*Timestamps are approximate

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• Special Episode: Award-winning ways to put science into practice

  Amplify’s 2024 Science of Reading Star Award winners share insights from their daily work. They reflect on why it’s so critical to stay grounded in evidence-based literacy practices and how they bring those practices into their schools and classrooms. Listeners will be inspired by the creative ideas of educators who are making a difference in the lives of students across the country. Winners honored in the episode in order of appearance are: Amber Hines, Vance County Schools, NC; Elizabeth Caton, Windber Area Elementary School, PA; Jamie Vannoy, Wirt County Primary Center, WV; Christine Michalik, Cicero School District 99, IL; Andrea Mason, County Line Elementary School, GA; A. Simone McQuaige, Prince George’s County Public Schools, MD. Show notes:Apply for the 2025 Amplify Science of Reading Star AwardsLearn more about our 2024 Star Award winnersSubscribe to Beyond My YearsQuotes: “There is no, ‘Let's try this. Let's try that.’ When it's evidence based, you know that it's proven to be effective.” —Amber Hines“It's important that we are aligning our practices to standards and what the students are required to do—but also what they need.” —Elizabeth Caton“If we don't make a conscious effort to utilize evidence-based practices, we are going to be failing our most at-risk populations.” —Jamie Vannoy“All students should have the opportunity for multiple readings of the same text to build comprehension, to build fluency.” —Christine Michalik“It's really important to utilize assessments, [to] make sure that my students are getting exactly what they need based on the data that I get from assessments, but also based on the data that I get from regular progress monitoring.” —Andrea Mason“This is not something that can be just done at the schoolhouse. It involves the community and all of our community stakeholders.” —A. Simone McQuaige

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