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  • 221: Ryan Pelletier: The View from Both Sides of the Table: Building Trust Between Cities and Counties
    Show Notes: Ryan Pelletier: The View from Both Sides of the Table: Building Trust Between Cities and Counties Episode 221 of The HaltingWinter Podcast Brought to you by Zencity Overview In this episode of The HaltingWinter Podcast, Seth Winterhalter sits down with Ryan Pelletier, a leader who has navigated nearly every seat in local government, from small-town manager to county administrator. With decades of experience serving rural communities, he offers a rare perspective on how to bridge the tension between cities and counties and turn competition into collaboration. From wearing every hat in a one-person town office to leading a county with dozens of municipalities, his journey is packed with lessons on trust-building, shared services, and the practical realities of leadership at every level. Episode Highlights: Wearing Every Hat: Why starting in a tiny town office can be the best leadership training. Beyond Borders: Leading in a community where international lines are part of everyday life. Trust as Currency: How to earn buy-in from elected officials, department heads, and neighboring jurisdictions. Shared Solutions: Turning costly, fragmented systems into regional wins that save money and improve service. The Long Game: How to lead for lasting impact in a short-term political world. Whether you’re managing a small department, running a city, or working at the county level, this episode offers practical strategies for building partnerships, navigating politics without partisanship, and finding common ground where it matters most—serving your community. Connect with Ryan Pelletier LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-pelletier About Our Sponsor: Zencity This episode of The HaltingWinter Podcast is made possible by Zencity—a trusted partner to hundreds of local governments around the world. Zencity is a software that enables local government leaders to gather, understand, and act on resident feedback, going beyond the "same ten people" to actually reach residents where they're at, and incorporate that feedback into decisions large and small. To learn more about how Zencity is helping turn data into action and insight into impact: Learn more at Zencity.io Connect with Seth Winterhalter: LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter Website: www.HaltingWinter.com About HaltingWinter Municipal Solutions At HaltingWinter, we help local government leaders build thriving teams and resilient workplace cultures through keynotes, workshops, and leadership development programs rooted in the ABCs of Impactful Municipal Leadership.  Learn more at HaltingWinter.com Seth's Upcoming Keynotes: 2025 Kentucky League of Cities Annual Conference & Expo September 23-26 | Owensboro, KY Details at KLC ELGL 2025 Conference | Camp Govlife October 1-3 | Santa Rose, CA Details at ELGL 2025 City Clerks New Law and Elections Seminar November 12-14 | Los Angeles, CA Details at CalCities 2025 Kansas City/County Management Association Annual Conference December 3-5 | Manhattan, KS Details at KCMA
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  • 220: Rick Tonini: When Service Becomes a Lifelong Calling: Leadership, Loss, and Lasting Impact
    Show Notes: Rick Tonini: When Service Becomes a Lifelong Calling: Leadership, Loss, and Lasting Impact Episode 220 of The HaltingWinter Podcast Brought to you by Zencity Overview In this episode, Seth Winterhalter sits down for a conversation with a small-town mayor (Rick Tonini; St. Matthews, KY) whose path to leadership started with a neighbor’s call to serve — literally. As a kid, he was the go-to helper for the local mayor, unclogging storm drains, spreading cinders on icy streets, and pitching in wherever needed. That spirit of service never left. From decades as a volunteer firefighter to more than 40 years as an elected official, his story is one of consistency, commitment, and community-first leadership. But it’s also a deeply personal story of resilience. After the sudden loss of his daughter, he turned grief into action — honoring her legacy through organ donation, volunteer work, and supporting others who have endured similar loss. We talk about what it takes to preserve a small-town spirit in the shadow of a growing metro area, how to lead with fiscal responsibility without losing community connection, and why service, at its best, is about more than a job description. This is a conversation about heart, endurance, and the kind of leadership that leaves a lasting impact long after the titles fade. Episode Highlights: From Storm Drains to City Hall How early hands-on experiences with a local mayor planted the seeds for a lifetime of public service. A Volunteer Firefighter for Life Why decades in the fire service shaped his perspective on responsiveness, readiness, and teamwork. When Service Meets Tragedy The story of losing his daughter, her life-saving organ donations, and finding purpose through grief. Preserving Community in a Metro World How to keep connection, culture, and care at the forefront in the midst of growth and change. Fiscal Responsibility with Real Results Balancing low taxes with high-impact services and why responsiveness builds public trust. Turning Grief into Action Serving at a soup kitchen every week for over 20 years and supporting other grieving parents through Compassionate Friends. Connect with Rick Tonini City of St. Matthews: Mayor Rick Tonini About Our Sponsor: Zencity This episode of The HaltingWinter Podcast is made possible by Zencity—a trusted partner to hundreds of local governments around the world. Zencity is a software that enables local government leaders to gather, understand, and act on resident feedback, going beyond the "same ten people" to actually reach residents where they're at, and incorporate that feedback into decisions large and small. To learn more about how Zencity is helping turn data into action and insight into impact: Learn more at Zencity.io Connect with Seth Winterhalter: LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter Website: www.HaltingWinter.com About HaltingWinter Municipal Solutions At HaltingWinter, we help local government leaders build thriving teams and resilient workplace cultures through keynotes, workshops, and leadership development programs rooted in the ABCs of Impactful Municipal Leadership.  Learn more at HaltingWinter.com Seth's Upcoming Keynotes: 2025 Kentucky League of Cities Annual Conference & Expo September 23-26 | Owensboro, KY Details at KLC ELGL 2025 Conference | Camp Govlife October 1-3 | Santa Rose, CA Details at ELGL 2025 City Clerks New Law and Elections Seminar November 12-14 | Los Angeles, CA Details at CalCities 2025 Kansas City/County Management Association Annual Conference December 3-5 | Manhattan, KS Details at KCMA
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  • 219: Book of the Week: Principles
    Show Notes: Book of the Week – PrinciplesEpisode 219 of The HaltingWinter Podcast (Part 1 of 5: Principles Series) Episode Title: When Principles Trump Politics Episode Overview You're sitting in a heated council meeting where three different factions are pushing completely different budget priorities. The mayor wants visible infrastructure projects for political reasons. Council members are demanding immediate tax relief. Another group insists on expanding social services. Meanwhile, your finance director is quietly pointing to long-term sustainability concerns that nobody wants to hear. In this kickoff episode of the Principles series, Seth Winterhalter explores how fundamental decision-making frameworks can transform municipal leadership effectiveness. Drawing from Ray Dalio's insights in "Principles," we discover how having clear, tested principles—not political maneuvering or reactive responses—determines whether city managers can navigate complex challenges with consistency and confidence. Whether you're dealing with competing stakeholder demands, crisis decision-making under pressure, or the exhausting cycle of inconsistent leadership responses, Dalio's framework offers a comprehensive solution. In this episode, we examine why the most effective municipal leaders develop clear principles before crises hit, enabling them to make better decisions regardless of external pressures or political dynamics. Key Takeaways How principled decision-making creates "leadership predictability" that builds trust with staff, councils, and communities Why waiting for perfect political timing often creates the very problems municipal leaders are trying to avoid The difference between rigid rule-following and flexible frameworks that guide consistent thinking under pressure Dalio's approach to systematic decision-making and what it means for sustainable municipal leadership How to identify your core leadership principles and test them in real municipal challenges This Week's Journey in the MLDC Monday: Understanding how principles provide clarity when emotions run high and consistency when circumstances change rapidly Tuesday–Thursday: Deep dives into radical transparency with your team, recognizing your leadership blind spots, and addressing difficult decisions quickly rather than waiting for perfect timing Friday: Virtual Book Club for live conversation and practical implementation Join the MLDC: Summer Special Now is the best time to join the MLDC, giving you access to:       ✔ All five episodes breaking down one book per week for municipal applications      ✔ Daily blog reflections and implementation tools      ✔ A community of local government leaders from across North America      ✔ Our live, weekly Virtual Book Club session ➡ Join now at www.HaltingWinter.com Resources Mentioned Book: Principles by Ray Dalio MLDC Info: www.haltingwinter.com/mldc Connect with Seth LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter Website: www.HaltingWinter.com
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  • 218: Mike Goodrum: From Cutthroat to Culture-Builder: What Ambition Won’t Teach You About Leading People
    Show Notes: Mike Goodrum: From Cutthroat to Culture-Builder: What Ambition Won’t Teach You About Leading People Episode 218 of The HaltingWinter Podcast Brought to you by Zencity Overview Michael Goodrum’s rise through local government was fast, relentless, and at times, ruthless. From living in his car outside a community college to becoming City Manager of Sugar Land, Texas, Michael built a reputation as the guy who could fix anything. But it came at a cost: people, trust, and even his own family. In this episode, Michael opens up about the early years of ambition-fueled leadership, what broke him (and woke him up), and the radical transformation that followed. From chasing performance to building culture, his story is both a cautionary tale and a blueprint for what’s possible when you decide to lead differently. If you’ve ever felt torn between doing what’s urgent and doing what’s right—or if you’ve questioned whether you can truly lead without losing yourself—this conversation will hit home. Episode Highlights: The Car. The Coach. The Break. How a volleyball coach noticed a homeless student sleeping in a Nissan Sentra and changed everything. Ambition Without Alignment Why Michael's early success in local government came at the expense of culture, collaboration, and trust. The Missed Kindergarten Event The moment that forced him to confront the father—and leader—he didn’t want to be. A Keynote That Broke Him Open How a talk by Bob Chapman (Everybody Matters) led to cold calls, tears, and a new chapter of leadership. What Culture Change Actually Takes From internal sabotage to shared vision: the 7-year plan to transform Sugar Land from the inside out. Coral Springs & The Throwaway Interview The city he tried not to get and how a brutal dose of honesty turned into a career-defining opportunity. Connect with Mike Goodrum LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/michael-goodrum About Our Sponsor: Zencity This episode of The HaltingWinter Podcast is made possible by Zencity—a trusted partner to hundreds of local governments around the world. Zencity is a software that enables local government leaders to gather, understand, and act on resident feedback, going beyond the "same ten people" to actually reach residents where they're at, and incorporate that feedback into decisions large and small. To learn more about how Zencity is helping turn data into action and insight into impact: Learn more at Zencity.io Connect with Seth Winterhalter: LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter Website: www.HaltingWinter.com About HaltingWinter Municipal Solutions At HaltingWinter, we help local government leaders build thriving teams and resilient workplace cultures through keynotes, workshops, and leadership development programs rooted in the ABCs of Impactful Municipal Leadership.  Learn more at HaltingWinter.com Seth's Upcoming Keynotes: 2025 Kentucky League of Cities Annual Conference & Expo September 23-26 | Owensboro, KY Details at KLC ELGL 2025 Conference | Camp Govlife October 1-3 | Santa Rose, CA Details at ELGL 2025 City Clerks New Law and Elections Seminar November 12-14 | Los Angeles, CA Details at CalCities 2025 Kansas City/County Management Association Annual Conference December 3-5 | Manhattan, KS Details at KCMA
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  • 217: Jeff Meisel: From Embezzlement to Empowerment: Building a City That Trusts Again
    Show Notes: Jeff Meisel-From Embezzlement to Empowerment: Building a City That Trusts Again Episode 217 of The HaltingWinter Podcast Brought to you by Zencity Overview In this episode, Seth Winterhalter sits down with Jeff Meisel, City Manager of Bowling Green, Kentucky, for one of the most powerful and transparent leadership conversations to date. Jeff’s story isn’t polished—it’s lived. Born and raised in Bowling Green, Jeff never planned to lead the city he grew up in. But after uncovering a major embezzlement scandal inside city hall, he chose to stay. He chose to lead. And he’s been rebuilding trust and momentum ever since. From his beginnings as a CPA to his decade-long tenure as CFO, and now as City Manager of Kentucky’s third-largest city, Jeff reflects on leadership through crisis, building a dream team, the emotional cost of public service, and how to lead with calm, clarity, and character—even in the public eye. This is a masterclass in resilience, community-rooted leadership, and what it takes to serve a city that raised you. Episode Highlights: “The FBI Was Called—And I Had to Stay” Jeff shares how he uncovered fraud at the highest levels, reported it, and chose to remain and lead the cleanup. Built by Bowling Green, Leading for Bowling Green A rare look at what it means to serve the city that shaped you and the weight of leading your friends and neighbors. Crisis Leadership, Up Close What it was like to manage a team through public scandal, staff distrust, and personal exhaustion, all while raising five-month-old twins. From Finance to the Frontlines How a CPA learned to lead people, manage politics, and build citywide strategy without losing himself. How to Build a Dream Team When 7 of 9 department heads retired early in his tenure, Jeff saw opportunity and rebuilt a leadership team from the ground up. The Power of Quiet Rhythms Jeff shares how mowing his own lawn, playing lunch-hour basketball, and walking with his wife have kept him grounded and healthy, despite a chronic illness diagnosis. Connect with Jeff Meisel LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-meisel About Our Sponsor: Zencity This episode of The HaltingWinter Podcast is made possible by Zencity—a trusted partner to hundreds of local governments around the world. Zencity is a software that enables local government leaders to gather, understand, and act on resident feedback, going beyond the "same ten people" to actually reach residents where they're at, and incorporate that feedback into decisions large and small. To learn more about how Zencity is helping turn data into action and insight into impact: Learn more at Zencity.io Connect with Seth Winterhalter: LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sethwinterhalter Website: www.HaltingWinter.com About HaltingWinter Municipal Solutions At HaltingWinter, we help local government leaders build thriving teams and resilient workplace cultures through keynotes, workshops, and leadership development programs rooted in the ABCs of Impactful Municipal Leadership.  Learn more at HaltingWinter.com Seth's Upcoming Keynotes: 2025 Kentucky League of Cities Annual Conference & Expo September 23-26 | Owensboro, KY Details at KLC ELGL 2025 Conference | Camp Govlife October 1-3 | Santa Rose, CA Details at ELGL 2025 City Clerks New Law and Elections Seminar November 12-14 | Los Angeles, CA Details at CalCities 2025 Kansas City/County Management Association Annual Conference December 3-5 | Manhattan, KS Details at KCMA
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The HaltingWinter Podcast offers insights and strategies for city managers and municipal leaders to transform their leadership, energize their teams, and revitalize their municipalities. Hosted by Seth Winterhalter, President of HaltingWinter Municipal Solutions, we explore innovative approaches to balance personal well-being with professional growth while cultivating a vibrant workplace culture. Discover how to lead with purpose, navigate complex challenges, and deliver exceptional results for your community. Each episode provides actionable advice to help you thrive in the unique landscape of municipal leadership. Whether you're a seasoned city manager or new to municipal leadership, this podcast is your resource for personal and professional growth. Tune in and join our mission of making stronger cities through stronger leaders.
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