The Living Clean Podcast

n this special episode, we pause to remember and honor the life of Mary Banner, a beloved member of the Fellowship of Narcotics Anonymous whose impact was felt far and wide.
With Mason unavailable for this recording, his sister Staci graciously stepped in as host—and did a beautiful job guiding a large and heartfelt panel of friends who came together to share memories, gratitude, and love for Mary. What unfolded was a powerful collective remembrance filled with laughter, tears, and deep appreciation.
Mary was a long-time member of Narcotics Anonymous in Texas, a trusted servant to the Fellowship, and a former NA World Services (NAWS) Board member. She was known for her dedication, her service, and—most of all—her heart. Mary showed up, carried the message, and lived the principles of Narcotics Anonymous in a way that touched countless lives.
This episode is a celebration of a life well lived in recovery and a reminder of how one addict, committed to service and love, can leave a lasting imprint on our Fellowship.
Thank you, Mary, for your service, your example, and your legacy. You are remembered. 💙

Wild Recovery is more than just a group — it’s a recovery experience built around movement, nature, and shared adventure. In this episode, we sit down with several members of Wild Recovery to talk about what it’s been like to live clean while hiking trails, pushing limits, and reconnecting with themselves, others, and the world around them. They share how challenge, discomfort, and community have become powerful tools in their recovery, and why this outdoor-based approach has resonated with people who may not have found their place in more traditional spaces. This is an honest conversation about growth, freedom, and discovering new ways to experience recovery. We’re excited to share this unique experience with you.

Last year, Francis traveled to the North Alabama Convention—home of Bill Brooks, a founding member of Narcotics Anonymous in Alabama and the author of the powerful Basic Text story “If You Want What We Have.”
While there, Francis went beyond the convention floor. He visited Bill Brooks’ home, paid his respects at his gravesite, and had a meaningful phone conversation with Bill’s widow, Bettie, who shared personal reflections on Bill’s life, service, and legacy in Narcotics Anonymous.
Francis also attended Open Minds and Miracles, the NA meeting Bill Brooks started in 1978—a living piece of NA history that continues to carry the message today.
This episode also marks a milestone: Francis’s first time presenting on an author whose story appears in the Basic Text. Upon returning to the North Alabama Convention, he was invited to present on Bill Brooks, honoring both the man and the message behind one of NA’s most enduring stories.
This is a heartfelt episode about history, humility, service, and the living legacy of recovery—reminding us that what was freely given to us is meant to be passed on.

Mason and Francis are back with a reflection on their experience at Out of the Darkness Into the Light 28, held February 4–9, 2026 at the DoubleTree Hotel in Decatur, Alabama. In this episode, they share their personal takeaways from the convention, the fellowship, and the spirit of recovery that filled the event.
Francis offers his perspective coming from Northern California to the South for the second time, comparing and contrasting this year’s experience with his first visit. Mason reflects on what it meant to serve as Chair of the convention—an honor that carried both responsibility and deep gratitude—and how that role shaped his experience of the week.
Beyond the convention itself, they also dive into what’s been happening in their lives outside of NA, and how those experiences intersect with the themes of the event. It’s an honest, heartfelt, and uplifting conversation about service, connection, and recovery in action.
We hope you enjoy listening as much as they enjoyed sharing it.

For this second episode in our 12-month journey through the 12 Steps, we dive into Step Two: "We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity." Our panel regulars—Douglas, Archer, and Pete—are joined by Bronwyn and Dan. Together, we explore what "coming to believe" means, how sanity is restored, and how this step builds the foundation for hope in recovery. Join us as we unpack the belief in something greater!