Episode 326: TO WONG FOO, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING! JULIE NEWMAR (1995) with Matt Yost
TO WONG FOO, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING! JULIE NEWMAR is remembered as the first depiction of drag queens as non-gag main characters in a major Hollywood production. Vida Boheme (Patrick Swayze), Noxeema Jackson (Wesley Snipes), and Chi Chi Rodriguez (John Leguizamo) are California-bound New York drag queens who find themselves sidetracked in a rural Midwestern(?) town. They find some of the locals intolerant, some just ignorant, and some in desperate need of a makeover.
It’s not really what movies from the 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s have led you to expect: While there’s some friction, it’s not a movie about the knock-down drag-out social struggles of drag queens. In fact, it’s a bit of a refutation of that archetype: A narrative near-weightlessness gives the leads the freedom to heighten the reality around the subject matter and, put simply, camp it the hell up.
In this episode, we welcome longtime friend of the pod Matt Yost to explore how TO WONG FOO exists inside and outside the queer struggle of its time, reflect on its provenance today, discuss its metatextual layers, and call out some of our favorite lines in this astonishingly funny script. Plus, Cody reverse-engineers a super solid trivia segment from one of his strongest puns yet.
Find Matt…
On Bluesky at @mattyost.bsky.social
On Letterboxd at @mattyost_
On Trylove episodes about BLACK CHRISTMAS (1974), a table read of A GOOFY MOVIE (1995), and CABARET (1972)
References:
“The Shift from Straight to Queer – To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar” by Nicole Rojas-Oltmanns for Perisphere, the Trylon blog
John Leguizamo "To Wong Foo" 6/19/95 - Bobbie Wygant Archive
Patrick Swayze "To Wong Foo" 1995 - Bobbie Wygant Archive
Patrick Swayze, Wesley Snipes And John Leguizamo Talk 'To Wong Foo' In 1995 | TODAY Originals
“The Amazing Story Behind To Wong Foo” by Mitch Kohn for Advocate
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Show art by Emily Csuy. Theme: "Raindrops" by Huma-Huma/"No Smoking" PSA by John Waters.
Timestamps
0:00 - Episode 326: TO WONG FOO, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING! JULIE NEWMAR (1995)
3:47 - The Patented Aaron Grossman Summary (under exclusive license from AG Enterprises, Ltd.)
6:18 - A “camp fantasy”
17:29 - The dynamics between the leads and how the actors approached their roles
29:26 - How the structure of the movie responds to the fantastic lifestyles of its main characters
37:54 - Julie Newmar herself and the flawed pursuit of “perfect femininity”
51:15 - The ending
1:01:21 - Our favorite bits
1:08:29 - The Junk Drawer
1:14:37 - To All the Loves We’ve Tried Before: 1995
1:20:53 - Cody’s Noteys: Nestlé Snipes (Nestlé food product name trivia)