That Wellness Podcast with Natalie Deering: Internal Family Systems (IFS) with a Twist

• Beyond the Body: Danielle Carron on Her Near Death Experience and the Timeless Self

  In today’s expansive conversation, I sit down with Danielle Carron, a therapist, spiritual guide, and mystic who bridges Internal Family Systems (IFS), Somatic Experiencing, meditation, and consciousness work. Danielle and I first met at the IFS conference and immediately bonded over our shared love of quantum physics, the mystery of time, and the sacred nature of healing. At 19 years old, Danielle survived a traumatic rock-climbing accident that initiated a profound Near Death Experience (NDE)—one that revealed timelessness, unconditional love, and the truth of who she really is beyond fear, identity, and the limits of the body. That experience became the foundation of her life’s mission: bringing the sacred into healing and helping others awaken through their pain. This episode explores how meditation can access the same expansive, transcendent states of consciousness Danielle touched in her NDE—states of nonlinear time, eternal connection, and pure Self-energy. We explore what becomes possible when parts soften back and give us space to experience our higher consciousness directly. This is a deep, beautiful conversation that bends time itself.   Topics We Cover How we met at the conference + shared love of quantum physics and time Danielle’s Near Death Experience at age 19 and how it transformed her life Linear vs. nonlinear time and why it matters for healing Meditation as a pathway to expansive, transcendent states of Self The timeless nature of Self and accessing Divine unconditional love Parts that fear transcendence and how to support them Letting go of survival-driven linear time The theme of unconditional love in NDEs and Self-energy Discussion of Danielle’s 45-minute meditation for nonlinear time My personal experience practicing her meditation Benefits of transcendent states + how present work impacts the past Recommendations for accessing higher consciousness through meditation “Who am I when my parts give me space?” About Danielle Carron, MS, MA, SEP, LPC Danielle has been working with clients in private practice for over 17 years. At age 19, she lived through a rock-climbing fall and a profound Near Death Experience that changed everything. It revealed her true identity beyond fear, beyond the body, and beyond linear time. Since then, Danielle has devoted her life to bridging psychology, embodiment, meditation, and the sacred. Her work integrates Internal Family Systems, Somatic Experiencing, spiritual practice, and consciousness studies. She guides clients into their wholeness—mind, body, and soul. She is a therapist, mystic, teacher, and companion for the full human experience.   Connect with Danielle Website: daniellecarron.com Contact: https://daniellecarron.com/contact/ Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@daniellep.carronlpc3706   __________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

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• No Bad Puppets: Parts Work, Play, and IFS with Mark Saltzman

  What happens when the healing world of Internal Family Systems meets the imaginative art of puppetry? In this episode, I sit down with Mark Saltzman, LMP — a self-proclaimed puppet nerd, bodyworker, grief educator, and IFS practitioner — to explore how puppets can bring our inner parts to life in the therapy room and beyond. Mark and I chat about the serendipitous way we met at the IFS Conference, and how puppetry became a playful yet powerful tool for accessing the body’s wisdom and deep emotional truth.   We talk about: - The benefits of using puppets to externalize and connect with parts - How embodiment and play foster safety and Self-energy - Why there are no bad puppets (or parts!) - Using puppets for direct access, exile work, and legacy burdens - How you can start using puppets on your own for part connection This episode is equal parts (pun intended) creative, curious, and compassionate — reminding us that healing doesn’t have to be so serious all the time. Sometimes, play opens the deepest doors.   About Mark Saltzman, LMP: Mark Saltzman is a Licensed Massage Practitioner with over 30 years of experience, trained at Bastyr University’s Bellevue Massage School. His work blends therapeutic bodywork, somatic IFS, and creative expression to help clients reconnect with their inner world through the body. A Level 2 IFS practitioner and certified Grief Educator, Mark’s approach integrates touch, presence, and imagination — guiding clients to meet their parts with curiosity and compassion. He’s also the founder of Kiwuppet Studios, where he designs and performs puppets that bring emotional worlds to life.   Connect with Mark: Email: [email protected] | [email protected] Websites: www.kiwuppet.com | www.sotetherapies.com   _____________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

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• IFS Conference Reflections (and Celebration of 100th episode) with Tammy Sollenberger

  Fresh from the 2025 IFS Conference and in celebration of the podcast's 100th episode, I sit down with my friend and fellow IFS enthusiast, Tammy Sollenberger, for a lively and heartfelt debrief. In true synchronicity, we somehow kept signing up for the same seminars—without ever comparing notes beforehand. We talk about our parts, our paths, and maybe a touch of destiny. Tammy opens up about what it’s like to be an “IFS celebrity” (yes, we said it!) and the part of her that found it difficult to fully surrender as a participant in sessions while being so publicly known in the community. I share about my socially anxious parts and how they showed up throughout the conference, and together we explore how our systems reacted to the intensity, the beauty, and the vulnerability of being surrounded by hundreds of other parts and protectors in one big IFS field. I also share some clairvoyant messages that came through for both of us — intuitive nudges about healing, alignment, and the unexpected ways our friendship continues to unfold inside and outside the IFS community. This episode is a blend of reflection, laughter, emotional honesty, and gentle self-discovery — just what you’d expect from two friends who speak IFS fluently and love exploring the edges between psychology and soul.   What We Talk About How we kept accidentally attending all the same IFS conference seminars Tammy’s experience of being an “IFS celebrity” and the protector that kept her from full vulnerability as a participant My socially anxious parts and how they showed up in crowded conference spaces The parts of us that got activated during the conference — and how we worked with them Our individual experiences as presenters Tammy’s real-time vulnerability: sharing about her romantic breakup in her presentation and how her system responded Clairvoyant messages and intuitive insights that came through for both of us Takeaways, integration, and how the IFS model continues to deepen our friendships and inner awareness   About Tammy Sollenberger Tammy Sollenberger is an author, podcaster, and psychotherapist. She’s a Certified IFS Therapist and Consultant who loves helping people new to IFS discover their Authentic Self. Tammy co-authored a chapter on the Enneagram and IFS with Joan Ryan in the book Altogether Us: Integrating the IFS Model with Key Modalities, Communities, and Trends. She’s also the author of The One Inside: Thirty Days to Your Authentic Self, and the host and producer of the popular weekly podcast, “The One Inside.”   Tammy has a part who always wishes she were reading on a sunny beach ☀️ Learn more about her work at tammysollenberger.com   ____________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*

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• Befriending the Inner Critic with IFS - A Conversation with Chris Burris

  In this episode, I sit down with one of my IFS mentors Chris Burris, LMFT, Senior Lead Trainer for the Internal Family Systems (IFS) Institute, to explore one of the most challenging and misunderstood aspects of our inner world: the inner critic. Chris shares his personal journey with IFS and how the model offers a radical permission to approach ourselves—and our parts—with more love, kindness, and curiosity. Together, we discuss: Why people are more than the behavior of their parts The nature of inner critic parts and why pushing them away doesn’t work How cultural messages often teach us to fight or silence the inner critic, rather than befriend it Common “suck points” when working with critics in therapy The role of legacy burdens in shaping our inner critics What it means to carry the critical energy of others inside us The importance of following intuition in the healing process Practical exercises to begin befriending your inner critic on your own This conversation is both grounding and liberating, offering a compassionate reframe for anyone who struggles with self-judgment or harsh inner voices.   About Chris Burris: Chris Burris, M.Ed., LCMHCS, LMFT (he/him), is a Senior Lead Trainer for the Internal Family Systems Institute, providing Level II and III trainings worldwide. He has been an IFS Therapist since 1999 and a practicing psychotherapist since 1987. With a background in marriage and family therapy and a mind-body approach, Chris has worked extensively with individuals, couples, families, and groups. He is the author of Creating Healing Circles: Using the Internal Family Systems Model in Facilitating Groups, and has been leading experiential group trainings since 2003 on topics such as Self-leadership, men’s work, rites of passage, sacred activism, healthy relationships, and performance enhancement. Chris has also trained in nature-based models through the Animus Valley Institute, School of Lost Borders, The Foundation for Shamanic Studies, and The Center for Conscious Eldering.   Resources: Internal Family Systems Institute: burriscounseling.com   ___________________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*    

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• Embodying Self-Energy with Jenny Hayo

  My guest today is Jenny Hayo (she/her)—teacher, guide, and practitioner of wisdom traditions for over 25 years—to explore the living, breathing experience of Self-energy and how it shapes our inner and outer worlds.   Together, we dive into: What it means to embody Self-energy instead of holding it as just an idea. The many ways people describe Self-energy, and how language can both help and limit us. A playful, unexpected moment when an otter appeared, bringing laughter into our conversation. What we are actually embodying when we talk about “being in Self.” The practice of interoception—tuning into the body’s signals and sensations. The difference between listening to the body and having an agenda for it. How Self can be both a deeply spiritual and beautifully ordinary experience. Ways to discover what your unique Self-energy feels like. The heart as a powerful portal into Self-energy. A simple practice Jenny shares for cultivating embodiment and accessing Self-energy in daily life. __________________________ About Jenny Hayo Jenny Hayo has practiced and taught in the wisdom traditions for over 25 years. She synthesizes her decades of consciousness studies, meditation, and embodiment-centered practices to support students along the path of awakening. Her work is informed by Hindu philosophy, classical yoga, tantric Buddhism, and various somatic modalities. Jenny is certified in Hakomi, Internal Family Systems (IFS), and as a Yoga Therapist. Her understanding of the subtle body—and the importance of our relationship with it—lies at the heart of her work. Jenny teaches public workshops, trainings, retreats, and offers individual coaching for students on the spiritual journey. She is deeply committed to creating a world of wakefulness and liberation for all. Connect with Jenny Hayo: 📞 Phone: 206.931.8992 📧 Email: [email protected] 🌐 Website: www.jennyhayo.com   Tune in and join us as we explore how to embody Self-energy—not as a concept, but as a lived, heart-centered experience! __________________________ Want to work with Natalie? Contact her below   Website: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/ Contact: https://www.ndwellnessservices.com/contact  Instagram: @nataliedeering _____________________________   Donate to the podcast Here!    Interested in sponsoring an episode of the podcast? Upgrade your business and let more people know about your amazing services or products by reaching hundreds to thousands of people by sponsoring an episode for only $100!  Please email [email protected] for more information.  Thank you for the support!    *Please support the podcast by following, rating, and leaving a review*  

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