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    Turn Into The Swerve – Jerry Goodstein

    2026-06-01 | 28 mins.
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    Retirement rarely unfolds exactly as planned.

    For Jerry Goodstein, retirement began with a clear sense of direction and a meaningful endeavor. But unexpected challenges, a deeply emotional experience helping his daughter move across the country, and an encounter with the world of ADHD coaching changed everything.

    In this conversation, Jerry shares how his retirement story became less about executing a blueprint and more about learning how to “turn into the swerve”  by staying open to reinvention, purpose, lifelong learning, and becoming someone new later in life.

    This is a thoughtful conversation about identity, letting go, service, and the surprising ways purpose can evolve, over time and in ways you may not expect, after retirement.

    In This Conversation, You’ll Learn

    Why God laughs at your retirement plans

    How unexpected “swerves” can open new directions in life

    The opportunities to repurpose your skills in retirement

    Why letting go of identity is often difficult for high achievers

    How lifelong learning can reignite energy, curiosity and engagement

    What coaching taught Jerry about listening and presence

    Why service became more important than living a life of leisure

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    Bio

    Jerry Goodstein is Professor Emeritus, Carson College of Business, Department of Management, Information Systems, and Entrepreneurship at Washington State University. Dr. Goodstein received his Ph.D. in Business Administration from the University of California, Berkeley, and his MBA and BA in Economics and Geography from the University of California, Los Angeles.

    He conducted research and taught business ethics, leadership, and strategy at the undergraduate and graduate levels for over three decades at Washington State University and the University of Illinois. His research on restorative justice in organizations, corporate and stakeholder responsibility, and second chance hiring has been published in leading management and business ethics journals. He is co-editor, along with Dr. Mary Gentile, of Giving Voice to Values: An Innovation and Impact Agenda, published in 2021.

    After retiring from Washington State University in May 2020, Dr. Goodstein continued work he had begun in 2019 to bring together businesses, criminal justice partners, and community-based organizations to develop employment-based opportunities for formerly incarcerated men and women. In January 2023 Dr. Goodstein made a major retirement/life shift to become a Certified ADHD Life Coach. He founded Where You Are ADHD after completing his ADHD life coaching program in December 2023. Since then, he has been coaching youth (teens and tweens) with ADHD. Dr. Goodstein partners with public and community-based organizations, especially those working with at-risk youth, to support both youth and their families in meeting the ADHD-related challenges they are facing in their lives.

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    For More onn Jerry Goodstein

    Where You Are ADHD

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    Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love

    The Inspired Retirement – Nathalie Martin

    The Best Day of My Life So Far – Benita Cooper

    Changing the World One Small Act at a Time – Brad Aronson

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    Wise Quotes

    On Being Open to Reality

    “There are just some unanticipated swerves that come up…Turn into the swerve…Don’t turn against it.”

    On Becoming a Beginner Again

    “It absolutely feels like a new beginning for me….“It’s never too late to learn. It’s never too late to evolve.”

    On Purpose

    “I don’t think of myself as retired anymore….I’ve repurposed my purpose.”

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    About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

    There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

    About Retirement Wisdom

    I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

    Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

    About Your Podcast Host

    Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

    Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

    In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

     
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    Change Your Questions, Change Your Life…in Retirement – Marilee Adams, PhD

    2026-05-25 | 36 mins.
    Most of us think of questions as something we ask other people. Dr. Marilee Adams has spent years showing the opposite: the most consequential questions we ask are the ones we ask ourselves. Adams, founder of the Inquiry Institute and author of the half-million-copy bestseller Change Your Questions, Change Your Life, (a new 5th edition has just been published) joins us to make us smarter about our internal questioning. She introduces us to two mindsets that live inside all of us  — Judger and Learner — and the Choice Map™ that helps you notice which one is driving the bus. The conversation takes her work directly into the world of retirement, where Judger questions (What do I regret?, What do I resent?) can quietly shape our moods, relationships, and the texture of later life. But Learner questions (What would be meaningful next?, What does my heart want me to do?, What can I contribute?) open up possibilities for a different future.

    Along the way, Adams explains the physiology underpinning the two mindsets, and a single powerful question: Who do I choose to be in this moment? that she returns to again and again. She also introduces us to the five-to-seven-second “Stop, Breathe, Be” practice that can shift your nervous system anytime (from The 5 Resets: Rewire Your Brain and Body for Less Stress and More Resilience by Aditi Nerurkar, MD).

    If you’re thinking about designing the non-financial side of your next chapter, or looking to enhance your life in retirement, this is an episode worth re-listening to with a notebook in hand.

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    For More on Marilee Adams, PhD

    Change Your Questions, Change Your Life, 5th Edition

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    The Inquiry Institute

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    Bio 

    Dr. Marilee Adams is an award-winning author, executive coach, and leadership consultant whose work has shaped how leaders think, communicate, and make decisions for more than four decades.

    She is Founder and CEO of the Inquiry Institute, a leadership development and organizational consulting firm dedicated to building inquiry-based cultures that accelerate results and deepen engagement. Its executive coaching, training, keynotes, and eLearning programs — all grounded in Question Thinking™ — are used by Fortune 500 companies, government agencies, healthcare systems, and universities worldwide.

    Her book Change Your Questions, Change Your Life has sold more than half a million copies worldwide and been translated into 26 languages. Now in its 5th edition, it remains one of the most enduring frameworks for mindset shift, leadership development, and human performance — and its newest edition addresses one of the defining challenges of our moment: how to lead and think with wisdom, curiosity, and connection in an age of artificial intelligence.

    At the heart of Dr. Adams’ work is a deceptively simple insight: the questions we ask — of ourselves and others — shape everything. They determine the quality of our thinking, our relationships, our decisions, and our cultures. In a world increasingly mediated by technology, the human capacity for inquiry is not just a leadership skill. It’s a competitive advantage — and an essential one.

    Dr. Adams has coached senior leaders and advised organizations internationally and is a recognized pioneer in inquiry-based coaching and organizational transformation. She speaks and teaches worldwide, helping leaders use Question Thinking™ everywhere it matters most.

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    Wise Quotes

    On the Two Mindsets

    “We’re always asking ourselves questions that affect our moods, that help with our decisions, and also make a difference in whether we have a positive quality mindset or the opposite. All of us human beings have two mindsets. We always will have them — which means they are normal…The more we accept our Judger, the more acceptance and forgiveness and empathy come online. That helps you open your heart to yourself and to others.”

    On Questions 

    “Typical Judger questions in later life are: How can I just fill up my time? What would keep me from being bored? What do I regret or resent about the past? Learner questions sound different: What would be meaningful and satisfying for me going forward? What does my heart want me to do next? What can I contribute? What would be fulfilling? People who are more in Learner mindset literally live longer and have better quality lives. People who are past-oriented, regretful, resentful, live not as long and not as fulfilling.

    On Retirement

    “When you think about retirement, what’s exciting is to be open to the future and not get stuck in the past. Now you’re talking about creating a future that is intentional, and fulfilling, and healing.”

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    Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love

    The Second Fifty – Debra Whitman

    Thinking Better to Live Better – Dr. Woo-kyoung Ahn

    The Mindful Body – Ellen Langer

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    About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

    There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

    About Retirement Wisdom

    I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

    Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

    About Your Podcast Host

    Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

    Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

    In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.

     

     
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    Two Grannies on the Road – Beth Sobiloff & Marcia Rothwell

    2026-05-18 | 29 mins.
    What’s in your backyard that you haven’t explored yet? And what if you decided to treat your own state like a foreign country? Beth Sobiloff and Marcia Rothwell, the co-hosts of Two Grannies on the Road, have set out to visit all 351 cities and towns in Massachusetts. They’re 121 towns in. Along the way, they’ve met second-act bakers, retired leaders turned magicians, mayors, alpaca farmers, and a man with the world’s largest collection of Back to the Future memorabilia.

    In this conversation, Beth and Marcia talk about why their world hasn’t shrunk in retirement, why trying and not liking something is still a win, how to spot the second act that’s already running quietly in the background of your own life, and what a real retirement curriculum might look like.

    If you’ve ever caught yourself drifting toward a smaller version of your life, this episode is a friendly nudge in the other direction.

    In this episode you’ll learn:

    How to discern a second act that’s right for you.

    How Beth turned an empty-nest into a 15-year creative project.

    Why abandoned hobbies offer clues for new pursuits.

    A template for novelty, social connection, and learning that costs almost nothing.

    Why presenting what you learn matters as much as learning it.

    And here’s are all 351 towns and cities in Massachusetts in minutes

                                                                     (by two Mass natives and one NY interloper)

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    For More on Beth Sobiloff  & Marcia Rothman

    Two Grannies on the Road – You Tube

    Website

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    Wise Quotes

    On Experimenting

    “If you try something and you don’t like it, it’s not a failure. It’s okay. You eliminated one of the things you don’t like as much.”

    On the Curricuulm  for Retirement

    “Go out, experience something, then come back and present it. That’s the curriculum.”

    On Inspiring Others

     “If you have a relative or a friend who is staying at home and not getting out, make an effort to help them do that.”

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    Retirement Podcast Conversations You May Also Love

    Make Your Next Years Your Best Years – Harry Agress, MD

    Grandmapreneur – Connie Inukai

    Grace in Motion – Susan Hartzler

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    About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

    There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

    About Retirement Wisdom

    I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

    Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

    About Your Podcast Host

    Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

    Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

    In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.
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    Letting Go to Become Who You Truly Are – Deborah Santana

    2026-05-11 | 31 mins.
    There’s a challenge that comes with being known for what you do. When you move on you now have to figure out who you truly are. Deborah Santana spent more than three decades inside one of the most recognizable partnerships in American music as COO of the New Santana Band, co-architect of the Milagro Foundation, and the steady, contemplative presence behind a global touring life with her ex-husband, the legendary musician Carlos Santana.

    At an age when most people are quietly winding down, she did the opposite: she walked away from a 34-year marriage, dismantled the identity she had built around someone else’s career, and started over. She earned a master’s degree in her 60s, founded a new nonprofit (Do A Little), wrote a second memoir (Loving the Fire: Choosing Me, Finding Freedom), and became a trustee of major cultural institutions.

    But this is not a celebrity interview. It’s an exploration of transitions and later-life reinvention. You’ll hear about her experience and the lessons she learned that may help you. She shares the foundational daily contemplative practice she built, the calendar block for herself disguised as “a meeting” she used to jump start her writing, and the people audit she did to illuminate who is toxic and who is the light in her life. Deborah describes how liberating it can be to be a beginner again, if you’re willing.

    I often say “You don’t stop growing just because you retire.” But, it’s not just a saying and Deborah’s story is an case study. If you’re ready to let go of your past and discover who you truly are now, this conversation is for you.

     

    “When you have everything stripped away that you were known as, it is a wonderful opportunity to create exactly who you are.”

    — Deborah Santana

     

    You’ll walk away with:

    A vocabulary for the identity work that retirement requires. And not just for the “what’s next” part, but also the words for the “who am I now” part.

    A useful framework (the Four C’s) for organizing life after a major transition.

    A replicable practice for protecting time for the work of “becoming” even when the people around you don’t quite yet understand what you’re doing.

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    Bio

    Deborah Santana is the author of Loving the Fire: Choosing Me, Finding Freedom, Space Between the Stars: My Journey to An Open Heart and the editor of the acclaimed anthology All the Women in My Family Sing. Her work has been featured by Vogue, Oprah, and NPR, among other national and literary outlets. She is the founder of the Do A Little Foundation, which supports women and girls in the areas of health, education, and happiness. Her work explores identity, social justice, spirituality, and the power of collective voice. She is mother to three artists: Salvador Santana, Stella Santana and Angelica Santana. She holds a Master of Arts in Philosophy and Religion with a Concentration in Women’s Spirituality. She is a leadership donor of the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture and a Lead Investor to the Courage Museum in San Francisco.

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    For More on Deborah Santana

    Loving the Fire: Choosing Me, Finding Freedom

    Website

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    Retirement Podcast Conversations You May Also Love

    Mattering…in Retirement – Jennifer Breheny Wallace

    Navigating the In-Between – Monique Rhodes

    What Matters Most – Diane Button

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    Wise Quotes

    On Loving the Fire

    “When there is fire, when there is struggle, if I continue to walk through and find courage and bravery, then I’m going to get to the other side and realize how much I’ve learned, how much I’ve grown.”

    On Expectations

    “I expect a miracle. I expect to see someone, meet them with a smile.”

    On Finding Your Self

    “There is a special reason why you’re here. So please find your authentic self, find your voice, know who you are, and go out and change the world.”

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    About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

    There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

    About Retirement Wisdom

    I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

    Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

    About Your Podcast Host

    Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

    Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

    In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.
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    How to Flourish…in Retirement – Daniel Coyle

    2026-05-04 | 31 mins.
    Most of us were trained to win at the game of life, deliver the results and get the promotion. Then one day, we arrive at retirement and discover that the game we were trained for isn’t the one that actually produces a flourishing life.

    New York Times best-selling author Daniel Coyle, joins us to discuss his new book Flourish: The Art of Building Meaning, Joy, and Fulfillment. He unpacks what five years of studying thriving communities (a Michigan deli, a major league baseball team, and a Vermont town that keeps producing Olympians) revealed about how good lives are actually built.

    We discuss:

    Why flourishing is a team sport in an age of individualism

    The difference between task attention and relational attention, and why the switch matters

    Why visioning may be the most useful tool for people approaching retirement

    Why we should probe for retirement rather than plan for it

    Yellow doors, the rule of surprise, and the two questions Dan uses as a personal compass

    If you’re approaching a transition, or you’re in the bewildering middle of one, this is a conversation worth your time and reflection.

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    Bio

    Daniel Coyle is the New York Times best-selling author of nine books, including Flourish: The Art of Building Meaning, Joy, and Fulfillment, The Culture Code (which was named Best Business Book of the Year by Bloomberg & Business Insider), and the Talent Code. He is a contributing editor for Outside magazine, and has seved an advisor to many high-performing organizations including the Navy SEALS, Microsoft, Google and he also works as a special advisor to the Cleveland Guardians.

    Dan lives in Cleveland, Ohio during the school year and in Homer, Alaska, during the summer with his wife Jen, and their four daughters.

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    For More on Daniel Coyle

    Flourish: The Art of Building Meaning, Joy, and Fulfillment

    Website

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    Wise Quotes

    On Games versus Gardens

    “Life isn’t a game to win. It’s a garden to grow.”

    On Flourshing & Community

    “All flourishing is mutual. We only become our best selves through and with other people…Who do I feel most alive with? What am I helping to grow?”

    On the Value of No

    “If you can’t say no, your yes is worthless.”

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    Retirement Podcast Conversations You’ll Also Love

    The Good Life – Marc Schulz, PhD

    Making & Keeping Friends…in Retirement – Janice McCabe

    Will You Flourish or Languish? – Corey Keyes

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    About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

    There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You’ll get smarter about the investment decisions you’ll make about the most important asset you’ll have in retirement: your time.

    About Retirement Wisdom

    I help people who are retiring, but aren’t quite done yet, discover what’s next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn’t just happen by accident.

    Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms.

    About Your Podcast Host

    Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking.

    Joe has earned Master’s degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University.

    In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 2 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He’s the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy.
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