Big Shot

Irwin Winkler has spent more than six decades in Hollywood, producing films that have earned 52 Academy Award nominations and helped define generations of moviegoers. His credits include Rocky, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, The Right Stuff, and The Irishman, but the path that led to those films was anything but predictable.
In this episode of Big Shot, hosts Harley Finkelstein and David Segal sit down with Irwin to look back on the twists, turns, relationships, and moments of good fortune that shaped his remarkable career. From the William Morris mailroom to launching an agency with Robert Chartoff, from representing Julie Christie to hearing Sylvester Stallone pitch Rocky, Irwin shares the stories behind a life spent at the center of the movie business.
Along the way, he reflects on the people who changed his life, the opportunities he almost missed, and the unexpected chain of events that led from a kid growing up in Brooklyn to one of the most successful producers in Hollywood history.
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In This Episode We Cover:
(00:00) Intro
(03:13) Growing up in Williamsburg, Brooklyn 
(07:11) Moving to the Sea Gate in Coney Island
(08:26) Irwin's first attempt at NYU
(10:22) Why he enlisted in the Army 
(10:55) Back to NYU after the Army
(12:00) How he got interested in working for a talent agency
(14:20) From summer mailroom gig at William Morris to full-time job 
(18:45) Climbing the ranks at William Morris
(23:18) Leaving William Morris to work with Bob Chartoff 
(29:14) How Julie Christie helped launch his producing career
(39:47) Meeting Sylvester Stallone and hearing the Rocky pitch
(48:53) Rocky's reception and the reshoot that saved the film
(51:48) How he started working with Martin Scorsese
(53:54) Managing productions and safeguarding creatives
(57:01) How Rocky II helped get Raging Bull made
(59:45) Funding movies then vs. now 
(1:01:47) Irwin’s thoughts on AI and CGI 
(1:03:14) The role of luck, hard work, and partnerships in his success
(1:07:12) The story of meeting Jack Warner and the Six-Day War
(1:10:21) Irwin's perspective on Jewish success in business and entertainment

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Where To Find Irwin Winkler:
• Website: https://winklerfilms.com
Where To Find Big Shot: 
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Barry Diller started in the mailroom at the William Morris Agency, but he had no interest in becoming an agent. He didn’t hustle the way others did. Instead, he spent his time in the file room, reading everything he could and learning how the business actually worked. By his own account, he likely would have been fired if not for one thing: his connection to Danny Thomas.
In this episode of Big Shot, Barry sits down with Harley and David to reflect on the path that took him from that mailroom to running studios, building networks, and shaping modern media. He shares how his ambition came later, not as something he chased but something he discovered, and how his career was shaped as much by timing and luck as by intention.
Along the way, Barry walks through the decisions that defined his career, from rising quickly through ABC and becoming chairman of Paramount at 32, to building the Fox network alongside Rupert Murdoch, and later taking control of IAC and acquiring companies like Expedia.
This is a conversation about instinct, timing, and the willingness to walk through the door when it opens.
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In This Episode We Cover:
(00:00) Intro
(03:32) Barry’s early heroes and influences
(05:16) Where his ambition came from
(06:50) Getting his start in the mailroom at the William Morris Agency
(08:53) What he learned from reading client files at William Morris
(12:10) Working as an assistant at William Morris
(14:00) How he got a job at ABC
(16:32) Barry’s thoughts on serendipity
(19:20) Developing The Movie of the Week and miniseries at ABC
(22:32) Becoming chairman of Paramount at 32
(26:44) Working with Charles Bluhdorn
(28:20) Why he still feels like he hasn’t made it
(30:00) Building the Fox network and bringing Rupert Murdoch on board
(34:06) How he took control of IAC
(38:07) The story behind buying Expedia
(40:47) Barry’s leadership philosophy
(41:37) M&A strategy at IAC
(44:43) How Eastern European Jews built Hollywood
(47:36) Barry’s relationship to Jewish culture
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Where To Find Barry Diller:
• Website: https://www.iac.com/leadership/barry-diller
Where To Find Big Shot: 
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Lew Wolff didn’t set out to become a successful developer or a professional sports team owner. He didn’t grow up around business, and by his own account, he stumbled into real estate almost by accident. But over the course of a decades-long career, he would go on to reshape downtown San Jose, partner with 20th Century Fox, and take ownership stakes in teams like the Oakland Athletics and Golden State Warriors.
In this episode of Big Shot, Lew sits down with Harley and David to reflect on the unconventional path that led him there. He shares how the sudden death of his father forced him to grow up quickly, how a chance decision in college set him on a career in real estate, and how one unexpected opportunity led to a role at Fox and a headline that would change everything overnight.
Along the way, Lew explains why he built his career around partnerships, how he thinks about choosing the right people to work with, and why he has always prioritized relationships over short-term profit. He also reflects on his time in professional sports, including the story behind Moneyball, the challenges of public scrutiny, and the behind-the-scenes dynamics that shaped the future of the A’s.
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In This Episode We Cover:
(00:00) Intro
(02:25) Lew’s early years growing up in the Midwest
(05:54) How his father’s death changed his path
(10:28) Growing up Jewish in St. Louis
(11:43) His first job and move to Los Angeles
(14:34) Starting his own firm and selling to Booz Allen
(17:18) His work with 20th Century Fox
(24:39) Balancing the San Jose development with his work at Fox
(27:20) How his studio office helped attract clients
(29:21) How Bud Selig led him to buy a stake in the Oakland A’s
(38:18) Lew’s philosophy on partnerships and how to choose them 
(42:54) Buying and selling his stake in the Golden State Warriors
(45:46) The kind of work he enjoys and what he credits for his success
(50:42) The story behind Moneyball
(54:19) Why he stays focused on the future
(55:20) Why he prioritizes relationships over profit
(58:57) How he handled negative press as owner of the A’s
(1:03:48) How the Giants blocked the A’s from building a new stadium
(1:08:59) How he learned to let things go
(1:12:51) Lew and Bud’s attempt to integrate their fraternity
(1:15:07) His thoughts on Jewish entrepreneurship
(1:18:38) What he’s most proud of
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Where To Find Lew Wolff:
• Website: https://www.wolffurban.com/
Where To Find Big Shot: 
• Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.bigshot.show/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@bigshotpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  
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Joseph Schaefer arrived in Canada from Poland in the 1930s and built his career in Montreal’s garment district at a time when the industry ran on instinct, relationships, and trust. He had an eye for fashion, a gift for reading people, and a way of doing business that set him apart early.
In this episode of Big Shot, Joseph joins hosts Harley and David to reflect on how he found his way into the garment trade and helped shape what Chabanel would become. He shares how he built partnerships that lasted decades, why he never lost a partner, and how he gave others ownership long before equity was common practice.
This is a story about a different era of entrepreneurship—one where deals were built on reputation, capital came through relationships, and success depended on understanding both the product and the people behind it. Joseph also reflects on what’s changed, why that kind of success is harder to replicate today, and the role his values and faith played in how he built his life and business.
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In This Episode We Cover:
(00:00) Intro
(01:06) Early days after immigrating to Canada
(03:10) How Joseph got his start in entrepreneurship
(07:38) Learning the craft with help from his sister
(09:55) When he brought on salespeople
(11:27) How he built Chabanel
(14:20) Joseph’s approach to capital and equity
(18:16) How Joseph won over banks
(22:24) Why Joseph’s success wouldn’t be repeatable in today’s market
(25:45) How Joseph managed partnerships
(29:00) Joseph’s legacy
(31:52) Joseph’s advice for young entrepreneurs
(32:50) His relationship with the Bronfmans
(35:20) The role of faith in his life
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Where To Find Big Shot: 
• Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.bigshot.show/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
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Jeffrey Katzenberg was one of the youngest studio heads in Hollywood when he was named president of Paramount Pictures at just 31. Over the decades that followed, he would help shape modern animation and co-found DreamWorks alongside Steven Spielberg and David Geffen.
In this episode of Big Shot, Harley and David sit down with Jeffrey to explore the experiences that shaped his career and leadership approach. He reflects on lessons from his father, whose generosity left a lasting impression, and on a moment with Kirk Douglas that reinforced the idea that you have not truly learned how to live until you have learned how to give.
Jeffrey traces his path through Hollywood, from working with Barry Diller to helping lead Disney during a pivotal era for animation, and how being fired from Disney led him to build DreamWorks. 
Along the way, Jeffrey reflects on failure, success, and the mindset that has guided him through decades in Hollywood, and shares why he never rests on past success, keeping his eyes on what’s next.
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In This Episode We Cover:
(00:00) Intro
(02:40) Lessons from his father and Kirk Douglas
(12:01) Volunteering for NYC mayor John Lindsay
(12:40) Growing up with dyslexia
(16:44) The philosophy of exceeding expectations
(25:24) Jeffrey’s role in revitalizing Disney animation
(33:32) Storytelling lessons from Walt Disney
(37:16) Building DreamWorks as its own brand
(43:29) Getting fired from Disney and forming the Dreamworks team
(57:04) Movie studio economics 
(59:32) Venture capital vs. filmmaking 
(1:05:26) A story about Jeffrey’s father and the drive of Jewish parents
(1:09:29) Dealing with failure
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Where To Find Jeffrey Katzenberg:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-katzenberg-4b3b47123
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.katzenberg
• Website: https://www.wndrco.com 
Where To Find Big Shot: 
• Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.bigshot.show/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@bigshotpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  
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