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Change Signal

Michael Bungay Stanier
Change Signal
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  • Change Signal

    How an Engineer Would Map Your Org. Emily Moore

    2026-2-04 | 30 mins.
    Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Emily Moore:


    Who’s missing from your system map?


    What are you rushing to solve? 


    And what is resistance actually trying to protect?

    If you lead change in a big organization, you already know the neat diagrams rarely survive contact with reality. Emily Moore — engineer, educator, and longtime industry leader — joins me to explore how systems thinking becomes far more useful when we stop pretending the world is tidy.

    We dig into the surprising truth that most “systems maps” forget the most important element: the people who hold influence, create friction, or quietly keep things running. Emily shows why the real work of change begins when you sit with ambiguity a little longer than feels comfortable, resist the urge to leap to solutions, and allow humility to do some heavy lifting.

    We also talk about resistance — why it’s not just inevitable but essential. Emily argues that vocal laggards often reveal leverage points the formal org chart hides.

    If you’re navigating complex transformations, leading change management initiatives, or trying to make progress inside tangled systems, this conversation will help you see your organization — and your role in it — with fresh eyes.

    Change Signal. Where transformational change leaders seek and find modern change wisdom. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.

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    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

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  • Change Signal

    The OARS of Real Engagement. John Anthony

    2026-1-28 | 28 mins.
    Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with John Anthony: 


    Are you engaging people before you try to influence them?


    What resistance are you avoiding that you should be exploring?


    And how do you know whether you’re dancing with someone… or wrestling?

    John Anthony joins me to unpack why so many change conversations in large organizations stall, even with experienced leaders at the helm. He draws from motivational interviewing to show how change works best when it’s done with people, not to them.

    We talk about why your first job is positioning yourself as a supporting partner, not a persuader. JA explains the power of OARS — open-ended questions, affirmations, reflective listening, and summaries — as a simple way to diagnose whether you’ve actually engaged someone before asking them to move.

    We also explore resistance as a source of insight rather than something to avoid. JA makes a compelling case that paying attention to the discord is what shifts people from outright cynicism into genuine consideration.

    If you lead transformation, change management, or complex initiatives, this conversation with John Anthony offers practical tools and a more human way to navigate the messy middle of change.

    Change Signal. Where transformational change leaders seek and find modern change wisdom. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.

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    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify
  • Change Signal

    My Three Most Powerful Insights about Modern Change Mastery: MBS

    2026-1-23 | 21 mins.
    Three questions sit at the heart of this Change Signal episode:


    How much responsibility for change is owned throughout your organization?


    How much room is there for more change?


    How good are your mechanics at change?

    In this solo anniversary episode of Change Signal, I reflect on a year of conversations, experiments, and learning — and make the case that change management is a tired label for the realities leaders now face.

    I introduce three core drivers of modern change mastery: claimed agency, real capacity, and technical excellence. I explore why so many transformation efforts stall even when the plans look immaculate, and why ownership, space, and craft matter more than control.

    Along the way, I reframe the experience of change itself — from kitchen fires and fast-food efficiency to more nourishing, adaptive systems that can flourish under pressure.

    If you’re leading change in complex environments and wondering why the old playbooks keep falling short, this episode offers a clearer orientation for the work ahead.

    Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.

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    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify
  • Change Signal

    Change Lessons from Jugaad Innovation. Simone Ahuja

    2026-1-21 | 34 mins.
    Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Simone Ahuja: 


    Are you solving the real problem or just the first one?


    What constraint might actually spark creativity?


    And who’s missing from the table when you design change?

    In this episode, Simone Ahuja — innovation strategist, intrapreneurship champion, and longtime student of jugaad — joins me to explore how change really happens inside large, complex organizations. She shows why the most valuable innovations don’t come from big budgets or big teams, but from leaders who know how to work with constraints, stay fluid in their approach, and widen the circle of who gets to shape the solution.

    We talk about why so many change projects stall before they even begin, often because teams are solving the wrong challenge or operating inside systems that resist anything unfamiliar. Simone offers a practical, grounded way forward: think smaller, go earlier, and design experiments that create momentum instead of overwhelm.

    If you lead transformation, change management, or innovation work — and want tools that work in real organizational life — this conversation with Simone is going to be useful, surprising, and energizing.

    Change Signal. Where transformational change leaders seek and find modern change wisdom. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.

    ***

    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify
  • Change Signal

    How to Clear Your "Head Trash." Charlie Gilkey

    2026-1-14 | 32 mins.
    Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Charlie Gilkey: 


    What if success scares you more than failure?


    Where is your “head trash” quietly derailing your best ideas?


    And who belongs in your corner so your ambitious projects don’t stall?

    In this episode, I’m joined by Charlie Gilkey — author, coach, and champion of helping people finish what matters. If you’ve ever found yourself stuck between a big vision and the messy reality of actually delivering change, this conversation will feel very familiar.

    Charlie gently exposes the inner frictions that stop meaningful change from taking hold, especially for experienced leaders. We talk about the fears we don’t admit, the competing priorities we don’t notice, and why the lone-hero model quietly limits our impact.

    You’ll hear practical tools too, including Charlie’s 5-10-15 rule to help you make progress on what matters, rather than just staying busy. It’s a simple way to reclaim time, focus, and momentum without adding pressure to your already full plate.

    If you lead transformation, change initiatives, or complex projects, this episode offers a mix of insight, self-reflection, and concrete practices to help you not just begin, but truly finish.

    Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change. If you’re a transformational leader seeking modern change mastery, you’re in exactly the right place.

    ***

    WHEN YOU’RE READY

    🎧 A new episode every week (and sometimes two!)

    The Change Signal newsletter. Short, practical, weekly

    ***

    CONNECT

    💼Connect on LinkedIn

    ***

    SAY THANKS

    💜Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

    💚Leave a review on Spotify

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About Change Signal

If you’re leading change in organizations, this will be your favourite podcast. Change is harder than ever. Transformation is more complex, unpredictable and overwhelming than it’s ever been. Change Signal cuts through the noise to find the good stuff that works. Michael Bungay Stanier, author of The Coaching Habit and organizational transformation student for thirty years, talks to the best thinkers, senior leaders, and experienced practitioners in the world of change, to find what works, what doesn’t, and what to try instead. With Change Signal as your guide, you’ll be more efficient and less overwhelmed, and your change projects will more likely succeed. Change Signal: Where we cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works.  Sign up for weekly updates at TheChangeSignal.com
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