Dev Interrupted

Is the traditional engineering backlog officially a thing of the past? Andrew and Ben explore the principles of outcome engineering and how continuous productivity is permanently changing how software gets built. They also examine a busy week of industry news, from Peter Steinberger joining OpenAI to the amusing and bewildering story of a hit piece written by an autonomous AI agent. Finally, the hosts break down the existential crises of Gemini 3 Pro inside a virtual village and why Meta product managers are rebranding themselves as AI builders.
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OpenAI's acquisition of OpenClaw signals the beginning of the end of the ChatGPT era
An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me
Outcome Engineering
The Drama and Dysfunction of Gemini 2.5 and 3 Pro
Several Meta employees have started calling themselves 'AI builders'
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When the Ralph autonomous loop was born, Dex Horthy was "in the garden," witnessing the spark that set the AI engineering community on fire. Andrew sits down with the HumanLayer founder to discuss how to escape the "Dumb Zone" by applying his strict RPI (Research, Plan, Implement) methodology - a process that forces agents to generate intermediate design artifacts and align on architectural decisions before writing a single line of code. They also break down the brutal economics of agentic coding, recounting how Dex’s team used autonomous loops to clone six sponsor products overnight at a hackathon.
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Articles & Talks:
No Vibes Allowed: Solving Hard Problems in Complex Codebases: Dex’s viral talk from the AI Engineer World’s Fair that introduced the "Dumb Zone" concept.
The AI Vampire: Steve Yegge’s reflection on burnout and agentic economics.
12-Factor Agents: Human Layer’s methodology for building reliable agentic systems.
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Website: humanlayer.dev
Twitter: @dexhorthy
LinkedIn: Dexter Horthy
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AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

Did AI agents just DDoS GitHub? Andrew and Ben are joined by Warp Founder and CEO Zach Lloyd to discuss the massive strain agentic workflows are putting on our infrastructure and why the "Monday Morning Commit Spike" is the new normal. They also dive into Steve Yegge’s reflective piece on the "AI Vampire" and the economic pressure on developers to output 10x results without 10x pay. Finally, Zach unveils "Oz," Warp's new platform designed to move agents off your laptop and into the cloud for better orchestration, security, and team collaboration.
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GitHub: GitHub appears to be struggling with measly three nines availability
The AI Vampire: Read Steve Yegge's Article
Open Coding Agents: Tim Dettmers/AI2 Research on Open Coding Agents (SERA)
Listen to: The future of the terminal is not a terminal
Warp Oz: Introducing Oz: The Orchestration Platform for Cloud Agents
Blog: Introducing Oz: the orchestration platform for cloud agents
Connect with Zach Lloyd: LinkedIn | X (Twitter)
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AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

Is Slack just a chat app, or is it becoming the command line for the agentic future? Andrew sits down with Kurtis Kemple, Senior Director of DevRel at Slack, to discuss the platform's evolution into an "agentic work operating system" where humans and bots collaborate in real-time. They explore the concept of "leaky prompts," how to harness unstructured chat data to drive automation, and share practical advice on how engineering leaders can start deploying their own custom agents to reclaim their time.
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Slack for Developers: api.slack.com
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Bolt for JavaScript: Slack's Framework
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MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.

What happens when 1.7 million autonomous agents build their own social network and start hiring humans for physical labor? Andrew and Ben break down the most surreal week in AI history - from the Moltbook social network to the Rent-a-Human marketplace - and debate whether vibe coding is killing open source. Later, they sit down with Gary Lerhaupt, VP of Product Architecture at Salesforce, to discuss the new Connectivity Benchmark report, why monolithic agents are an anti-pattern, and how "Super Agents" are evolving to orchestrate fleets of specialized sub-agents across the enterprise.
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Salesforce Connectivity Benchmark: Read the Report
Agentforce: Learn more about Salesforce Agents
Connect with Gary Lerhaupt: LinkedIn
Moltbook: The AI social network
Rent-a-Human: rentahuman.ai
OpenClaw (a.k.a. Moltbot) is everywhere all at once, and a disaster waiting to happen
The Agentic Shift: Redefining Enterprise SDLC from Assistance to Autonomy
How Vibe Coding Is Killing Open Source
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AI Code Reviews: Automate reviews to catch bugs, security risks, and performance issues before they hit production.
AI & Productivity Insights: Go beyond DORA with AI-powered recommendations and dashboards to measure and improve performance.
AI-Powered Workflow Automations: Use AI-generated PR descriptions, smart routing, and other automations to reduce developer toil.
MCP Server: Interact with your engineering data using natural language to build custom reports and get answers on the fly.