The Holly Pivec Podcast

We Left the Mission Field: The Reality of "Beyond" and the Theological Drift in Modern Missions

Why would an ethusiastic, committed missionary couple walk away from their life’s work? In this deep-dive, two-part interview, Aaron and Chelsea Hunter share their jarring experience with the missions organization "Beyond." They reveal how the pressures to "hear God's voice" and document numerical growth have led to a "Jesus Hermeneutic" that replaces sound doctrine with subjective impressions, and why they believe these "Church Planting Movements" are hindering the gospel and world missions.

Watch to discover:
The perceived tension between "theological purity" vs. "reaching the nations."
A first-hand account of when "Discovery Bible Studies" bypass God's objective Word in Scripture.
The dangers of "Listening Prayer" and New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) influence on the mission field.
Advice for churches and aspiring missionaries on how to select sound missions organizations to partner with.

 CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction to the Hunters' Missionary Journey
03:13 Understanding Beyond: The Organization's Role in Missions
06:01 Concerns Arising: The Influence of YWAM
08:53 "Hearing God's Voice": The Central Pillar of Beyond
12:12 The Dynamics of Listening Prayer
14:55 The Pressure of "Obedience": A Burden on Missionaries
17:46 The Harmful Impact of Listening Prayer on Missionaries' Relationships with God
21:03 The Unbiblical Role of Listening Prayer in Decision-Making
23:55 The Process of Listening Prayer: Steps and Practices
27:11 Urgency in Missions: The 2025 Goal
29:51 The Dangers of Presuming God's Voice and Prophecy
41:51 Testing Divine Revelation and Insufficient Criteria
46:56 Hyper-Spiritualization: Leaving No Room for Simple Encouragement
50:54 Prayer Declarations and Their Influence
54:08 Strategic-Level Spiritual Warfare: Understanding Strongholds

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
Nine Marks: https://www.9marks.org/ (Resources on biblical missions)

ABOUT THIS PODCAST:
The goal of this conversation is not to discourage missions, but to call the church back to a foundation of sound theology and biblical integrity. We believe that true "success" in missions is measured by faithfulness to God's Word in Scripture, not the pursuit of "hearing God's voice" outside of Scripture or rapid multiplication.

#Missions #Beyond #ChurchPlanting #Theology #Christianity #Discernment #Gospel #BibleStudy

In this episode, I share exciting news about the launch of my new book club and discussion community, over at Substack, called "Hold Fast with Holly Pivec." And I invite you to join us.
I explain my vision for Hold Fast with Holly Pivec and share messages from my podcast listeners revealing the need for such a discernment community. I also share my own backstory that motivated me to undertake this new venture.

Be sure to watch through to the end to learn about a special launch discount available to my podcast listeners and others who join in the first month.

Are you navigating the challenges of the New Apostolic Reformation and feeling like you’re doing it alone? Well, many others are in the same boat. This community pulls together like-minded believers for guidance, encouragement, and study. Listen to this episode to learn all about my new discernment community and see how you can get involved, including coming to the Acts 17:11 Book Club—where we dissect primary NAR texts together and evaluate them by Scripture and careful reasoning—and participating in my monthly live Q-and-As.

Subscribe today and join a community dedicated to protecting the body of Christ and holding fast to gospel in an age of new "apostles." For more information and to subscribe, visit Hold Fast with Holly Pivec at https://hollypivec.substack.com/about. And don’t forget to listen to this episode to get the full scoop!

Is "listening prayer" the key to intimacy with God, as many Christian teachers claim? In this deep-dive conversation, we discuss a particular view of prayer as "two-way communication" and explore how seeking audible voices or mystical promptings can be a distraction from true spiritual growth. If you’ve ever felt stuck waiting to "hear from God" or worried that you’re missing God's specific instructions for your life, this episode is for you.
In this video, we explore a more robust, biblical framework for intimacy with God.

The topics we address include:
True "Conversation" with God: How God communicates through a mind transformed by Scripture.
Wisdom Over Formulas: Why God wants you to grow into an "empowered agent" rather than a puppet waiting for instructions.
The Dallas Willard Connection: A personal look at Willard’s approach to "hearing God."
The Obedience Key: Why acting on what you already know is the surest path to intimacy with God.

RESOURCES MENTIONED
Hearing God by Dallas Willard - https://www.amazon.com/Hearing-God-Developing-Conversational-Relationship/dp/1514011573

Have you ever felt pressured to "hear a voice" in your prayer life?
Let’s discuss in the comments. I’m curious to hear your experiences with "listening prayer."
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#ChristianDiscernment #HearingGod #DallasWillard #PrayerLife #BiblicalWisdom #ChristianLiving #Discernment #Theology

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Doug Geivett, my co-author and long-time colleague, to discuss a very popular teaching in the church right now: “hearing God’s voice” outside of Scripture.

Doug and I have co-authored four books on the New Apostolic Reformation. In this conversation, which is part of my larger series on "hearing God's voice," we address why the modern expectation of daily private messages from God has become so widespread and why it is spiritually risky.

We respond to real pushback messages I have received, including claims that relying on Scripture to mediate God's voice means you only have a “relationship with a book.” We explain why that argument undermines both biblical authority and true intimacy with God. We also dig into what the Bible actually teaches about the Holy Spirit’s role in the believer’s life, what “being led by the Spirit” means, and why obedience is the biblical foundation for intimacy with God, not chasing impressions, dreams, or inner promptings.

00:00 Intro and who Doug Geivett is
01:53 Why this topic hits a nerve and the pushback has been intense
03:51 Why “hearing God’s voice” is so appealing and why it became mainstream now
06:08 How expectations are shaped by church culture and imitation
08:35 The personal draw: intimacy, immediacy, and “God speaking to me”
10:35 Main dangers: replacing real intimacy with an artificial metric
12:18 The irony: seeking intimacy but actually blocking it
14:35 Social pressure, spiritual insecurity, and manufactured experiences
19:06 Reading pushback comments: “relationship with a book” and “living God speaks”
21:07 Why Scripture still governs the question, even if God speaks in other ways
24:19 Psalm 119 and why God’s Word is not “just a book”
28:35 Why impressions are also a medium, and the inconsistency in the critique
30:37 A sincere concern: “being led by the Spirit” and daily guidance
34:47 Acts, decision making, and “it seemed good to us” vs “God told me”
37:09 John 14 and what Jesus actually promised about the Holy Spirit
41:29 Fruit of the Spirit and what it means to be led by the Spirit
43:34 “Does God speak English?” Clarifying what people mean by “God spoke”
45:44 Guidance through maturity vs claiming private revealed words
47:52 Imagination based practices and why that is a problem
50:19 The core claim: intimacy with God is grounded in obedience, not voice chasing
52:24 Outro

Seventh-day Adventists, NAR, and The Miracle Myth: Protecting the African Church from Heresy & Exploitation

In the concluding segment of our interview with Paul Carden (Centers for Apologetics Research) and Rodgers Atwebembeire (Africa Center for Apologetics Research), we expose critical doctrinal threats and challenges in Africa, including the rapid growth of Seventh-day Adventism, the stealth infiltration of the New Apostolic Reformation, and the massive amount of false miracle claims.

This segment includes vital information on the Project Priscilla ministry, which is equipping vulnerable women against exploitation, and a powerful example of how small donations make a massive, life-saving impact on the front lines of global discernment.

In This Final Segment, You Will Learn:

* The Miracle Deception: Why claims of healing in extreme charismatic movements, including NAR, lack credible evidence and how believers are blamed for their "lack of faith."
* SDA Exposed: Why Seventh-day Adventism is doctrinally cultic ("False Prophet, Wrong Jesus, Impossible Salvation") and how it uses fear tactics (like the "mark of the beast") to pull Christians out of sound churches.
* NAR's Stealth Invasion: How the Seven Mountain Mandate and Dominion Theology are infiltrating major denominations amd traditions, like the Anglican Church in Africa.
* Dangerous Syncretism: The mixing of NAR spiritual warfare with African traditional religious beliefs (e.g., specific ancestral demons and curses).
* Project Priscilla: The critical ministry focused on equipping women and girls who are culturally vulnerable to sexual and financial exploitation by predator "prophets."
* Direct Impact: An eye-opening story showing how just $400 in funding resulted in outreach to over 400,000 people and brought victims out of cults.

Timestamps (Jump to what interests you!):

| 0:00 | The Miracle Myth: How Miracle Claims Lack Evidence |
| 3:11 | The Blame Game: Why Claimed Healings Fail and the Fault is Placed on the Victim |
| 4:25 | Project Priscilla: Equipping Women Against Spiritual Exploitation |
| 7:07 | Seventh-day Adventism Exposed: Why SDA Is a Cult |
| 11:00 | Investigative Judgment: The SDA Doctrine that Makes Salvation Impossible |
| 14:55 | The Stealth Infiltration of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) |
| 18:05 | Strategic Spiritual Warfare & African Syncretism (Targeting Ancestral Spirits) |
| 20:13 | The Global Challenge of Discernment (Are Evangelicals Aware?) |
| 23:17 | Partnerships and Ministry Needs (Literature, Prayer, Workers) |
| 26:50 | The Power of Small Donations: How $400 Reached 400,000 People |
| 28:48 | Call to Action: How to Partner with CFAR (Prayer & Support) |

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The Centers for Apologetics Research (CFAR): thecenters.org

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