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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

Harry Stebbings
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
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  • The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

    20VC: OpenAI and Anthropic Threatened by Kimi? | Should the US Ban Chinese Open-Source Models | Should Openrouter Sell & Value in the Routing Layer? | Stripe Buying Paypal: What You Need to Know

    2026-07-23 | 1h 23 mins.
    AGENDA:
    00:04 China's Kimi and Qwen Put Frontier AI on Notice00:08 Washington Debates Whether Chinese AI Models Should Be Banned 00:17 Can America Build a Profitable Open-Weight AI Champion? 00:21 OpenRouter's Moment: Is This the Perfect Time to Sell? 00:31 Fireworks' $1.5B Raise Signals the Real AI Money Is in Infrastructure 00:39 Why Every Great AI App May Need to Build Its Own Model 00:50 Stripe's Bold Play to Buy PayPal 01:01 The AI Funding Frenzy: Why Late-Stage Venture Is Winning 01:12 Nuclear Startups Go Wild While Databricks and Stripe Stay Private 01:15 The AI Supply Chain War: TSMC, ASML, DRAM—and Nvidia's Next Move
  • The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

    20VC: Are OpenAI and Anthropic Overvalued? The Open-Source AI Reality | How Token Costs Will Fall 10x And Usage Will Explode 100x | The Future Is Not One AGI; It's Millions of Specialised Models with Lin Qiao, Founder and CEO @ Fireworks

    2026-07-20 | 1h 17 mins.
    Lin Qiao is the Co-Founder and CEO of Fireworks AI, the leading specialized intelligence and AI inference platform that last week raised $1.5BN at a whopping $17BN valuation. With just 200 people, the company has hit $1BN in ARR and expects to hit $2BN before the end of the year. Prior to Fireworks, Lin spent several years at Meta including on the founding team of PyTorch. 
    AGENDA:
    00:07 — Why Did Fireworks Bet on Inference When Everyone Else Was Chasing Training?
    00:13 — Can Open-Source Models Turn AI Infrastructure into a Commodity?
    00:19 — Should Enterprises Trust Chinese Open Models With Their Most Sensitive Data?
    00:25 — Will Model Progress Keep Moving This Fast—or Are We Nearing a Plateau?
    00:28 — Will the Multi-Model World Create a $100BN Routing Layer?
    00:37 — How Much Will AI Token Usage Explode Over the Next Two Years?
    00:43 — Will Token Costs Fall 10x—and Unleash 100x More Demand?
    00:49 — Does Fireworks Eventually Have to Build Its Own Data Centres?
    01:02 — What Is the Real Bottleneck Holding Back the AI Economy?
  • The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

    20VC: $5BN in Revenue, 7 to 7,000 Employees in 9 Months, 206,000 Tests in a Single Day: The Craziest Story in Startups: Curative with Fred Turner

    2026-07-18 | 1h 27 mins.
    Fred Turner is the Founder and CEO @ Curative, one of the wildest stories in tech. Fred scaled a COVID testing business from $0 to $5BN in revenue and took the team from 7 to 7,000 employees in just 9 months. They did over 206,000 COVID tests in a single day and signed contracts in the 100s of $Ms with several of the largest states. Today, Curative is a unicorn health insurance business taking on the incumbents for one of the largest markets in healthcare. 
    AGENDA:
    00:00 How Did a Spare-Time COVID Test Become a $5BN Business?
    07:00 How Do You Go From Testing Cows to STDs, Sepsis and COVID?
    21:00 When Did Fred Realise COVID Was Massive—and How Did Curative Scale to $5BN?
    36:00 Why Pivot Into Health Insurance—and What Is Broken About US Healthcare?
    40:00 How Is AI Rebuilding Curative—and Which Departments Go to Zero?
    45:00 Is SaaS Dead? Why Is Curative Cutting 80% of Its Software Spend?
    48:00 Are Legacy Insurers Screwed? What Will Anthropic Be Worth in Three Years?
    59:00 Will AI Make Companies Smaller? Which Jobs Will Survive?
    1:10:00 Why Nuclear—and Could Subcritical Become Bigger Than Curative?
    1:17:00 What Have Marriage and Fatherhood Taught Fred? What Has He Changed His Mind On?
  • The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

    20VC: Apple Sues OpenAI | Zuckerberg Back on X and Challenging Codex and Claude Code | SK Hynix's $26BN IPO | Is Seed Investing Dead: Jason Calacanis Departs Seed for Growth | Greylock Raises New $1.5BN Fund

    2026-07-16 | 1h 22 mins.
    AGENDA:
    00:00 – Apple SUES OpenAI: Did They Steal Apple's Biggest Secrets?
    05:10 – Is OpenAI's $6BN Hardware Bet Already Dead?
    12:50 – Zuckerberg Is Back: Meta Finally Takes On OpenAI
    18:05 – The AI Spending Bubble Nobody Is Talking About
    23:45 – Claude Is Coming for Designers, Product Managers & Figma
    27:15 – Anthropic's $50BN Explosion: Have We Already Hit AI's TAM?
    36:00 – The $26BN AI IPO Powering the Entire Industry
    40:00 – Seed Investing Is Dead? Jason Calacanis Changes Strategy
    57:00 – SaaS Is in Trouble: AI Is Accelerating Terminal Decay
    01:15:00 – Why Greylock Said No to Billions of Extra Dollars
  • The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

    20VC: Wix's Founder on What Wall St Gets Wrong About AI and Wix | Will Base44 Win the Vibe Coding Wars | The Truth About the Economics of Vibe-Coding | The Buyback Disaster: Lessons Learned with Avishai Abrahami

    2026-07-13 | 57 mins.
    Avishai Abrahami is the Co-Founder and CEO of Wix, the NASDAQ-listed website creation platform serving millions of businesses worldwide. Today, Wix generates more than $2BN in ARR and has a market capitalization of approximately $2.1BN, after reaching a peak valuation of $17BN over the past two years. The company also acquired Base44, one of the fastest-growing AI application-building platforms, scaling it to $150M in ARR in record time.
    AGENDA:
    00:00 The SaaS Apocalypse: What Does Wall Street Still Not Understand About Wix?
    07:00 Is the Market Valuing Wix's Core Business at Less Than Zero?
    12:55 Will AI Kill Wix... or Make Base44 Bigger Than the Entire Company?
    19:15 "You Are NOT Going to Vibe Code Shopify" — Why Everyone Is Getting AI Wrong
    23:00 Would You Really Pay $80M for a One-Person Startup?
    24:15 The Buyback Disaster: Would Avishai Do It All Again?
    31:00 Why Every AI Customer Support Startup Keeps Failing (According to Wix)
    37:00 Should a 22-Year-Old Still Learn to Code in the Age of AI?
    42:20 Has AI Been Overhyped? Avishai's Most Controversial Prediction Yet
    49:00 The Hardest Lessons on Leadership, Marriage & Building Through Chaos
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About The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC) interviews the world's greatest venture capitalists with prior guests including Sequoia's Doug Leone and Benchmark's Bill Gurley. Once per week, 20VC Host, Harry Stebbings is also joined by one of the great founders of our time with prior founder episodes from Spotify's Daniel Ek, Linkedin's Reid Hoffman, and Snowflake's Frank Slootman. If you would like to see more of The Twenty Minute VC (20VC), head to www.20vc.com for more information on the podcast, show notes, resources and more.
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