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20VC: Are OpenAI and Anthropic Overvalued? The Open-Source AI Reality | How Token Costs Will Fall 10x And Usage Will Explode 100x | The Future Is Not One AGI; It's Millions of Specialised Models with Lin Qiao, Founder and CEO @ Fireworks
2026-07-20 | 1h 17 mins.Lin Qiao is the Co-Founder and CEO of Fireworks AI, the leading specialized intelligence and AI inference platform that last week raised $1.5BN at a whopping $17BN valuation. With just 200 people, the company has hit $1BN in ARR and expects to hit $2BN before the end of the year. Prior to Fireworks, Lin spent several years at Meta including on the founding team of PyTorch.
AGENDA:
00:07 — Why Did Fireworks Bet on Inference When Everyone Else Was Chasing Training?
00:13 — Can Open-Source Models Turn AI Infrastructure into a Commodity?
00:19 — Should Enterprises Trust Chinese Open Models With Their Most Sensitive Data?
00:25 — Will Model Progress Keep Moving This Fast—or Are We Nearing a Plateau?
00:28 — Will the Multi-Model World Create a $100BN Routing Layer?
00:37 — How Much Will AI Token Usage Explode Over the Next Two Years?
00:43 — Will Token Costs Fall 10x—and Unleash 100x More Demand?
00:49 — Does Fireworks Eventually Have to Build Its Own Data Centres?
01:02 — What Is the Real Bottleneck Holding Back the AI Economy?20VC: $5BN in Revenue, 7 to 7,000 Employees in 9 Months, 206,000 Tests in a Single Day: The Craziest Story in Startups: Curative with Fred Turner
2026-07-18 | 1h 27 mins.Fred Turner is the Founder and CEO @ Curative, one of the wildest stories in tech. Fred scaled a COVID testing business from $0 to $5BN in revenue and took the team from 7 to 7,000 employees in just 9 months. They did over 206,000 COVID tests in a single day and signed contracts in the 100s of $Ms with several of the largest states. Today, Curative is a unicorn health insurance business taking on the incumbents for one of the largest markets in healthcare.
AGENDA:
00:00 How Did a Spare-Time COVID Test Become a $5BN Business?
07:00 How Do You Go From Testing Cows to STDs, Sepsis and COVID?
21:00 When Did Fred Realise COVID Was Massive—and How Did Curative Scale to $5BN?
36:00 Why Pivot Into Health Insurance—and What Is Broken About US Healthcare?
40:00 How Is AI Rebuilding Curative—and Which Departments Go to Zero?
45:00 Is SaaS Dead? Why Is Curative Cutting 80% of Its Software Spend?
48:00 Are Legacy Insurers Screwed? What Will Anthropic Be Worth in Three Years?
59:00 Will AI Make Companies Smaller? Which Jobs Will Survive?
1:10:00 Why Nuclear—and Could Subcritical Become Bigger Than Curative?
1:17:00 What Have Marriage and Fatherhood Taught Fred? What Has He Changed His Mind On?20VC: Apple Sues OpenAI | Zuckerberg Back on X and Challenging Codex and Claude Code | SK Hynix's $26BN IPO | Is Seed Investing Dead: Jason Calacanis Departs Seed for Growth | Greylock Raises New $1.5BN Fund
2026-07-16 | 1h 22 mins.AGENDA:
00:00 – Apple SUES OpenAI: Did They Steal Apple's Biggest Secrets?
05:10 – Is OpenAI's $6BN Hardware Bet Already Dead?
12:50 – Zuckerberg Is Back: Meta Finally Takes On OpenAI
18:05 – The AI Spending Bubble Nobody Is Talking About
23:45 – Claude Is Coming for Designers, Product Managers & Figma
27:15 – Anthropic's $50BN Explosion: Have We Already Hit AI's TAM?
36:00 – The $26BN AI IPO Powering the Entire Industry
40:00 – Seed Investing Is Dead? Jason Calacanis Changes Strategy
57:00 – SaaS Is in Trouble: AI Is Accelerating Terminal Decay
01:15:00 – Why Greylock Said No to Billions of Extra Dollars20VC: Wix's Founder on What Wall St Gets Wrong About AI and Wix | Will Base44 Win the Vibe Coding Wars | The Truth About the Economics of Vibe-Coding | The Buyback Disaster: Lessons Learned with Avishai Abrahami
2026-07-13 | 57 mins.Avishai Abrahami is the Co-Founder and CEO of Wix, the NASDAQ-listed website creation platform serving millions of businesses worldwide. Today, Wix generates more than $2BN in ARR and has a market capitalization of approximately $2.1BN, after reaching a peak valuation of $17BN over the past two years. The company also acquired Base44, one of the fastest-growing AI application-building platforms, scaling it to $150M in ARR in record time.
AGENDA:
00:00 The SaaS Apocalypse: What Does Wall Street Still Not Understand About Wix?
07:00 Is the Market Valuing Wix's Core Business at Less Than Zero?
12:55 Will AI Kill Wix... or Make Base44 Bigger Than the Entire Company?
19:15 "You Are NOT Going to Vibe Code Shopify" — Why Everyone Is Getting AI Wrong
23:00 Would You Really Pay $80M for a One-Person Startup?
24:15 The Buyback Disaster: Would Avishai Do It All Again?
31:00 Why Every AI Customer Support Startup Keeps Failing (According to Wix)
37:00 Should a 22-Year-Old Still Learn to Code in the Age of AI?
42:20 Has AI Been Overhyped? Avishai's Most Controversial Prediction Yet
49:00 The Hardest Lessons on Leadership, Marriage & Building Through Chaos20VC: Why OpenAI and Anthropic Won't Win the App Layer | Why Teams Will Get Bigger Not Smaller in a World of AI | Why AI Removes Incumbents Advantage of Bundling | China vs America: Who Wins the AI War with Arvind Jain, Co-Founder @ Glean
2026-07-11 | 54 mins.Arvind Jain is the Founder & CEO of Glean, the enterprise AI leader valued at $7.2 billion after raising more than $770 million from investors including Kleiner Perkins, DST Global, and more. Before Glean, Arvind co-founded Rubrik, helping build it into one of the world's leading cloud infrastructure companies before its successful IPO. Prior to that, he spent over a decade at Google as a Distinguished Engineer, working across Search, Maps, and YouTube.
AGENDA:
00:00 – The Shocking Truth About Frontier AI: 90% Is Already a Commodity 02:04 – Can OpenAI & Anthropic Own Enterprise AI? The Battle for the Workplace Begins 10:18 – Will OpenAI and Anthropic Win the App Layer 18:03 – Microsoft Is the Real Enemy… Not OpenAI? 20:53 – "Where's the ROI?" Why Enterprises Are Starting to Question the AI Hype 26:00 – Will AI Replace Your Job? Harry & Arvind's Heated Clash Over the Future of Work 33:43 – The Billion-Dollar Mistake Every AI Company Is Making on Token Spend 39:20 – The AI Land Grab Is On: Why Founders Must Move Now or Lose Forever 42:20 – China vs America: Who Really Wins the AI Race? 47:20 – Rapid Fire: The Future of Computer Science, Hiring, Fundraising & AI's Biggest Winners
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