The Pomp Podcast

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we break down bitcoin's explosive weekly surge and why this "sigma move" signals a real bull market. We also discuss the collision of AI and crypto, why bitcoin is the purest AI trade, Stripe and Ramp's battle to control AI model routers, and how to think about sizing bitcoin in your portfolio.
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0:00 - Intro
1:02 - Bitcoin's weekly surge & the "sigma week" behind it
5:38 - The bitcoin vibe shift & intersection with AI 
15:26 - Is multiple compression a warning sign for the market?
19:03 - How much bitcoin should be in your portfolio?
23:27 - Moderna, AI & the future of biotech
29:20 - Stripe's OpenRouter deal & the fight for AI model routers
34:13 - Are model routers a threat to Anthropic and OpenAI?
44:00 - Why people fear data centers more than nuclear plants
54:46 - Jordi's bitcoin call to arms

Anthony & John Pompliano discuss the state of bitcoin at $64,000, why the price has stabilized, and what it will take to spark the next bull run. They also break down the exploding cost of AI adoption inside businesses, the national debt problem no president seems willing to fix, and where investors should be putting their capital right now.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy!
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0:00 - Intro
0:35 - Bitcoin at $64K, catalysts & future returns
7:58 - Why every industry needs "bitcoiners"
12:20 - National debt, government spending & why nothing changes
17:24 - How much businesses are spending on AI
20:30 - How to evaluate if AI is giving you ROI
21:29 - Stocks, equities & conviction on AI
23:16 - Year-end outlook

Yoni Assia is the CEO and co-founder of eToro. In this conversation, we break down agentic trading and how AI is reshaping the platform, why bitcoin remains digital gold, eToro's move into tokenized equities, SpaceX IPO, and why eToro trades for less than 10x EBITDA.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy!
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0:00 - Intro
0:54 - Agentic trading: can AI manage your portfolio?
7:37 - Tokenization & the Space-X IPO
11:50 - Is crypto losing its ethos to Wall Street?
13:51 - Bitcoin as digital gold
14:58 - Why finance is moving to 24/7 blockchain markets
19:26 - Trade Zero acquisition & going after active traders
23:00 - Why eToro trades under 10x EBITDA
28:10 - Building a financial super app
30:25 - Tori: eToro's AI agent & collective intelligence

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we break down why the AI trade already bottomed, how bitcoin fits into the future of markets, and why companies like Figure Technologies are outgrowing legacy banks like JPMorgan. We also discuss inflation, the AI IPO wave with Anthropic and OpenAI, and how AI is reshaping everyday life — from raising kids to running a household.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy!
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0:00 - Intro
0:50- Why stocks keep climbing despite AI fears
2:41 - Jordy's AI portfolio & calling market bottoms
7:05 - Inflation report & the Bayesian mindset
11:27 - Figure Technologies & the tokenization boom
19:47 - Why JPMorgan and legacy banks are at risk
24:18 - Bitcoin is the "S&P 500 of ten years from now"
26:14 - Anthropic, OpenAI & the AI IPO wave
31:25 - AI goes mainstream: his wife & raising kids in the AI era
42:43 - ICE deportations & the inflation debate
47:47 - Politics, protests & the AI data center fight
55:50 - Jordi’s weekly videos & how you can help him

George Arison is the CEO of Grindr. In this conversation, we break down how AI has transformed Grindr's engineering team and product roadmap, the real "gay discount" baked into the stock price, and Grindr's fast-growing push into health. We also discuss the app's outsized role in gay relationships and safety risks abroad, and why efficiency — not headcount — is driving the company's next stage of growth.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy!
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Figure’s $160k Community Appreciation (https://www.figure.com/crypto-community-appreciation/
T&Cs (https://www.figure.com/crypto-community-appreciation/disclosures/) Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Take out a Figure Crypto-Backed Loan, allowing you to borrow against your BTC, ETH, or SOL with 12-month terms, 8.91% interest rates, and no prepayment penalties. Or check out Democratized Prime (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) and earn ~8.5% APY on real world assets. Unlock your crypto’s potential today at Figure! https://figuremarkets.co/pomp Figure Lending LLC dba Figure (NMLS 1717824). Loans subject to approval. Crypto collateral may be liquidated. Terms apply - see full disclosures at http://figure.com/disclosures/
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0:00 - Intro
1:27 - How AI is transforming Grindr's business & product
5:13 - Life inside an AI-run engineering team
12:04 - Using AI as a CEO 
19:57 - The "gay discount" in Grindr's stock price
25:27 - Grindr's growing health business
31:01 - Grindr's global impact & safety risks abroad
36:10 - Demographics of Grindr's user base
39:34 - Marriage, kids, & Grindr's family policy push
43:24 - Why Grindr's best days are still ahead
47:47 - Cutting headcount & running a lean company
51:34 - Where to find George & Grindr