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Edge of the Couch

Jordan Pickell and Alison McCleary
Edge of the Couch
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  • Edge of the Couch

    Therapists as Wet Blankets

    2026-03-25 | 40 mins.
    In this episode, we talk about how therapists can be humourless, anti-love, bubble-bursters. Not really... but maybe a little bit? We believe being the wet blanket is actually an important part of our jobs as therapists. We see when humour is being used as a defence mechanism. We spot love-bombing and other red flags. Exactly how we bring those observations to the client, that's more delicate work. How do we help clients see the full landscape of a situation rather than one angle of it? And when might we be overusing our power to make clients see 'reality'? 
    We're taking the couch on the road! Join us between May 9th and May 24th, we'll be heading to 8 Canadian cities for a LIVE episode recording and a chance to connect with other therapists in your area. Space is limited, so snag your ticket before it's too late! For more information, visit us on Instagram @edgeofthecouchpod. We hope to see you there! 
    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at [email protected].

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    www.woodstovewellness.ca

    Jordan Pickell
    www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram
    Edge of the Couch
    www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram
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    Touching in Therapy: A Relational Perspective

    2026-03-18 | 34 mins.
    You probably heard this in grad school: "Never, ever touch your clients."  But you know, for us, things are rarely black-and white. What about high fives? What about comforting touch? Hugs at termination? The conversation about using physical touch in therapy usually centres around liability and the 'slippery slope' to abusing our clients. While those are essential considerations to this topic, we are taking a different focus: the impact on the client and the therapeutic relationship. Our perspective might surprise you...
    We're taking the couch on the road! Join us between May 9th and May 24th, we'll be heading to 8 Canadian cities for a LIVE episode recording and a chance to connect with other therapists in your area. Space is limited, so snag your ticket before it's too late! For more information, visit us on Instagram @edgeofthecouchpod. We hope to see you there! 
    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at [email protected].

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    www.woodstovewellness.ca

    Jordan Pickell
    www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram
    Edge of the Couch
    www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram
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    It's Not Morbid to Talk About Death

    2026-03-11 | 43 mins.
    Are you comfortable talking about death with your clients? Not just around their grief and losses, but also about their own future deaths. Some clients will be open about their anxieties, while others unconsciously express their feelings through things seemingly entirely different-- like making big life decisions about romantic partners and whether or not to have children. We also discuss MAID, suic*de, and the prospect of death adding to the meaningfulness of life. Listen to learn about our own relationships with death. It might surprise you...
    We're taking the couch on the road! Join us between May 9th and May 24th, we'll be heading to 8 Canadian cities for a LIVE episode recording and a chance to connect with other therapists in your area. Space is limited, so snag your ticket before it's too late! For more information, visit us on Instagram @edgeofthecouchpod. We hope to see you there! 
    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at [email protected].

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    www.woodstovewellness.ca

    Jordan Pickell
    www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram
    Edge of the Couch
    www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram
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    Where Story Meets Science

    2026-03-04 | 41 mins.
    Inspired by the new research article critiquing and perhaps 'debunking' polyvagal theory, we are sitting with the tension between adjusting to emerging neuroscience findings while also offering clients frameworks that genuinely help them make sense of their experiences and feelings. We talk about brain scans and bold claims that researchers sometimes make, what sounds science-y versus what actually shows up in people's psychology and physiology in session. We must translate these complex concepts to clients responsibly. At what point are we oversimplifying? Or just plain wrong? Although neither of us references the vagus nerve specifically in our therapy work, we are a little thrown. Along with the claims the author Lisa Feldman Barrett makes in her recent book, How Emotions Are Made, we wonder what other concepts we hold dear might be next on the neuroscientific chopping block. So, when you find yourself in the place where story meets science, what do you fall back on?
    We're taking the couch on the road! Join us between May 9th and May 24th, we'll be heading to 8 Canadian cities for a LIVE episode recording and a chance to connect with other therapists in your area. Space is limited, so snag your ticket before it's too late! For more information, visit us on Instagram @edgeofthecouchpod. We hope to see you there! 
    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at [email protected].

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    www.woodstovewellness.ca

    Jordan Pickell
    www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram
    Edge of the Couch
    www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram
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    Should We Bring Back Shame?

    2026-02-25 | 38 mins.
    Hear us out... we know that so many of our clients are in therapy specifically to work through chronic shame, and we work alongside them to pull back the layers and find self-compassion. To learn more about that process, you can listen to our episode on Working with Shame. 
    We came of age professionally, so to speak, when Brené Brown's perspectives on shame and guilt were at the forefront of the cultural zeitgeist. According to Brené, shame is 'I'm bad', while guilt is 'I did something bad.' This is something we generally agree with. But in this episode, we're asking the question about whether shame might actually have a place, that maybe we shouldn't banish it. We discuss the connection between accountability and shame, and how that plays out in the therapy, but also in community and collectively. So, what do you think: should we bring back shame?
    We're taking the couch on the road! Join us between May 9th and May 24th, we'll be heading to 8 Canadian cities for a LIVE episode recording and a chance to connect with other therapists in your area. Space is limited, so snag your ticket before it's too late! For more information, visit us on Instagram @edgeofthecouchpod. We hope to see you there! 
    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at [email protected].

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    www.woodstovewellness.ca

    Jordan Pickell
    www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram
    Edge of the Couch
    www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

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About Edge of the Couch

Two good friends and experienced therapists explore the topics that were either shied away from or dismissed because they were too big, too nuanced, too risky, or too uncomfortable to address in school or even in supervision. We want to inspire and encourage therapists to think more deeply, show up more fully, and find humour and self-compassion in navigating the messier parts of being a therapist.
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