Outlawed

Beverly Gray & Jonas Swartz
Outlawed
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    The Helpers Part 2: Planes, trains, and automobiles

    2025-12-18 | 29 mins.

    Traveling during the holidays is full of unexpected mishaps due to the sheer numbers of fellow travelers. Travelling for an abortion is challenging all year round — because lawmakers have designed it that way. In front of every obstacle, people who care are there to help others through it with dignity. Bev and Jonas meet Mike Bonanza of Elevated Access, a pilot flying people privately for free to states with abortion care. Amanda Rich, executive director of Faith Roots Reproduction Action, then shares what a difference abortion fund volunteers can make in arranging secure transit and accommodations as well as covering costs like gas money and child care. Support these great organizations on their websites!https://www.elevatedaccess.org/https://www.faithrootsrepro.org/Want to make a tax-deductible donation to support our work and keep us ad-free? Go here:   https://www.gifts.duke.edu/dukehealth?designation=391001053For Outlawed merch: https://outlawedpodcast.com/merch/

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    The Helpers Part 1: Finding room at the inn

    2025-12-10 | 24 mins.

    You’ve driven hundreds of miles to get an abortion. Took off work (unpaid), and so did your partner, who’s home with the kids. Staying overnight is a necessity but too expensive, and will it even be safe and comfortable enough for you to rest?Around two hundred thousand abortion patients make long journeys each year in search of care. Toshiko of With Gloria matches abortion travelers to last-minute vacancies in donated Airbnbs from everyday sidekicks like Persephone. Over the next two episodes, Bev and Jonas meet the helpers who are reducing the harm of Dobbs in unexpected and uplifting ways.Support With Gloria: https://withgloria.org/ Want to make a tax-deductible donation to support our work and keep us ad-free? Go here:   https://www.gifts.duke.edu/dukehealth?designation=391001053

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    Abortion, family style

    2025-11-20 | 40 mins.

    It’s time again for awkward silences and passive aggressive compliments with a side of mashed potatoes. So we’re seeking solutions to the age-old question: What do we say to friends and relatives when they spread harmful misinformation during the holidays in the guise of politics or “alternate” facts? This week Bev and Jonas get practical and usable advice from communication expert, Dr. Tania Israel, author of Beyond Your Bubble: How to Connect Across the Political Divide and Facing the Fracture: How to Navigate the Challenges of Living in a Divided Nation. Bob’s your uncle — this is your sign to finally have that conversation.A few resources:Debating facts? Check out www.allsides.comLink to learn more about the Bridging Movement: listenfirstproject.org  -- sign up for their Listen First newsletter!Take the pronunciation quiz here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/dialect-quiz-map.htmlWant to make a tax-deductible donation to support our work and keep us ad-free? Go here:   https://www.gifts.duke.edu/dukehealth?designation=391001053

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    The Dream Feed Drop! "Babies not having babies"

    2025-11-05 | 1h 32 mins.

    Enjoy a bonus episode from The Dream podcast. This past year Charlotte Isenberg, a once-popular teen anti-abortion activist, found herself switching sides in this national debate. What happened to her next is unprecedented and a warning for parents and kids alike.Find Charlotte on Tik Tok here:@blueridgejewessWant to make a tax-deductible donation to support Outlawed and keep us ad-free? Go here:   https://www.gifts.duke.edu/dukehealth?designation=391001053

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    What we are talking about when we talk about abortion

    2025-10-22 | 31 mins.

    Jonas and Bev talk with Renee Bracey Sherman, reproductive justice advocate, founder of We Testify, and author of the fantastic book: Liberating Abortion: Claiming our history, sharing our stories, and building the reproductive future we deserve. We have a great conversation with Renee about abortion storytelling and the dichotomy of which stories are elevated in the public discourse. We also dive into the common myth about mifepristone being in the water - listen as Renee busts a myth!Renee's book is now out in paperback - you should check it out! https://bookshop.org/p/books/liberating-abortion-claiming-our-history-sharing-our-stories-and-building-the-reproductive-future-we-deserve-regina-mahone/d3171aea5597471d?ean=9780063228153&next=tWant to make a tax-deductible donation to support our work and keep us ad-free? Go here:   https://www.gifts.duke.edu/dukehealth?designation=391001053

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About Outlawed

In the wild west of abortion bans and restrictions, patients, families, and their doctors are being treated like outlaws. OB-Gyns and abortion care providers Bev and Jonas embrace the American tradition of fighting injustice by sharing their direct line to what’s actually happening in our homes and medical offices. Each episode’s powerful stories, experts, and resources help us grasp the aftermath of outlawing healthcare and how to talk about it with the people you know. Even with Uncle Bob. Especially with Uncle Bob.Brought to you by Dr. Beverly Gray, Dr. Jonas Swartz, and Jane Marie’s Little Everywhere.
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