Office Hours with Arthur Brooks

Sahil Bloom is an entrepreneur and investor, and the author of the New York Times bestselling book The 5 Types of Wealth.
Most of us chase success that doesn’t reflect what we truly value. In this episode, Sahil and I explore how to close that gap and live more intentionally—starting with the bold decision he made to move his family for more time with loved ones.
We unpack the difference between what you want and what you wish you wanted, dive into the five types of wealth, and end with six practical lessons to help you build a life that actually aligns with your values.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(03:33) Why Sahil relocated to live near his parents 
(08:58) The five types of wealth 
(10:51) Why it never hurts to reach out
(13:07) When your actions don’t match your values 
(16:15) The case for auditing how your values and actions align
(20:14) Why achievement alone doesn’t bring happiness 
(24:02) What a successful life actually is  
(30:40) Why struggle is necessary for true satisfaction
(37:01) Suffering as proof of living 
(40:53) Sahil’s mistakes 
(45:30) 6 lessons to build the life you want
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Referenced:
• The Meaning of Your Life: Finding Purpose in an Age of Emptiness: themeaningofyourlife.com
• Meaning Membership: https://hub.arthurbrooks.com/the-meaning-membership 
• The Happiness Scale: https://learn.arthurbrooks.com/the-happiness-scale 
• The Pursuit of Happiness with Arthur Brooks: https://www.thefp.com/s/the-pursuit-of-happiness-with-arthur 
• The 5 Types of Wealth: A Transformative Guide to Design Your Dream Life: https://www.amazon.com/Types-Wealth-Transformative-Guide-Design/dp/059372318X
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Your professional calling is a mysterious idea. It’s the ineffable sense that you are meant to do something. Many people get tripped up in their pursuit of their calling, because they conceive of it like buried treasure—something hidden that they must find. In truth, your calling can be built no matter your present circumstances. So, how do you do it?
In this episode, I explain how to move from chasing an objective career—titles, status, money—to building a more subjective one based on what you care about and what genuinely interests you. I also share three simple steps to help you evaluate and shape your calling. If you stick with them, you’ll be more likely to end up doing work that feels meaningful—and, in turn, you’ll get happier.
If you want to go deeper, check out my book, The Meaning of Your Life.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(02:19) How to find what you’re meant to do
(04:15) Work-ism and workaholism
(06:04) 4 habits of the happiest people 
(07:13) What can we learn about our callings from religion?
(13:33) Subjective vs. objective careers 
(15:19) Work-life balance vs. work-life integration 
(18:05) A misconception people make: calling isn’t just unusual talent
(19:39) How do you find your calling?
(19:42) #1. Look within 
(22:41) #2. Focus on fascination 
(27:45) #3. Serve others 
(31:35) Q&A #1: How can you positively influence others? 
(33:34) Q&A #2: Is retracing a career path not making progress?
(34:53) Q&A #3: How can we help teenagers build their own happiness habits? 
(35:50) Outro
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Referenced:
• The Meaning of Your Life: Finding Purpose in an Age of Emptiness: themeaningofyourlife.com
• Meaning Membership: https://hub.arthurbrooks.com/the-meaning-membership 
• The Happiness Scale: https://learn.arthurbrooks.com/the-happiness-scale 
• The Pursuit of Happiness with Arthur Brooks: https://www.thefp.com/s/the-pursuit-of-happiness-with-arthur 
• 6 science-backed ways to raise happiness at work: https://www.arthurbrooks.com/podcast/6-science-backed-ways-to-raise-happiness-and-success-at-work 
• If I work harder, will you love me? https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/workaholic-love-practical-solutions/684353/
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Pre-order The Meaning of Your Life (out March 31).
This is the final episode in my 3-part series on meaning, and it begins with a question I couldn’t ignore when I returned to campus five years ago: why do so many successful, driven people feel anxious, depressed, and lonely?
In this episode, I share three real-life stories from my new book, The Meaning of Your Life. These stories reveal what’s missing—and why the problem isn’t a lack of enjoyment or satisfaction, but rather the third macronutrient of happiness, meaning. 
I finish by sharing the six protocols from my book to help you move beyond distraction and build a more meaningful life in six months. If you want to go deeper, I hope you’ll consider the book.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(02:52) Recap of Part 1 and Part 2
(07:56) Why I wrote The Meaning of Your Life
(14:37) The connection between lack of meaning, anxiety, and depression
(17:05) Why case studies matter
(19:43) Story #1: The garbage disposal
(24:13) Story #2: Just stay busy
(26:40) Story #3: A long hike to…somewhere
(30:02) What these stories reveal
(33:18) Six protocols from The Meaning of Your Life
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Referenced:
• The Meaning of Your Life: Finding Purpose in an Age of Emptiness: themeaningofyourlife.com
• Why Your Perfect Life Feels So Empty (Sneak Peek): https://www.thefp.com/p/arthur-brooks-why-your-perfect-life-feels-so-empty 
• The Happiness Scale: https://learn.arthurbrooks.com/the-happiness-scale 
• The Pursuit of Happiness with Arthur Brooks: https://www.thefp.com/s/the-pursuit-of-happiness-with-arthur 
• Self-inflicted pain out of boredom: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165178116301524?via%3Dihub
• ...References continued at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.arthurbrooks.com/office-hours⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
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Don’t miss The Meaning of Your Life Virtual Experience, my free live global book launch event this Friday (3/27), where I’m joined by an extraordinary lineup of guests to dive into all things meaning. Learn more at  themeaningofyourlife.com. 
This is Part Two of my series on meaning, where I explore the science behind the meaning crisis, a central theme in my upcoming book, The Meaning of Your Life (out March 31). 
In the last episode, we looked at boredom. Today, I dive into the link between a lack of meaning and rising anxiety and depression—and why avoiding life’s biggest questions may be part of the problem. Why do we avoid the questions that matter most? Easy: These questions are uncomfortable—they don’t have clear answers and can’t be solved “once and for all.” However, the process of asking these unanswerable, ineffable questions changes the way we understand our lives, even if we cannot neatly articulate that understanding. As always, I share practical steps to get you to the “right” side of your brain, so that you can start building a life with greater meaning.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(04:59) The link between meaning and well-being 
(07:04) Lessons from Zen Buddhism 
(13:44) Two big questions for meaning
(16:00) Hemispheric lateralization
(19:43) Complicated vs. complex problems
(25:33) Why left-brain logic fails for complex problems
(26:54) Using questions to find meaning
(33:20) Step #1: Schedule your mental workout 
(34:50) Step #2: Go for a long walk 
(37:25) Q&A: Combating contempt
(39:55) Q&A: Travel protocols
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Referenced:
• The Meaning of Your Life Virtual Event: themeaningofyourlife.com
• The Meaning of Your Life: Finding Purpose in an Age of Emptiness: https://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Your-Life-Finding-Emptiness/dp/0593545427
• Why Your Perfect Life Feels So Empty (Sneak Peek): https://www.thefp.com/p/arthur-brooks-why-your-perfect-life-feels-so-empty 
• The Happiness Scale: https://learn.arthurbrooks.com/the-happiness-scale 
• The Pursuit of Happiness with Arthur Brooks: https://www.thefp.com/s/the-pursuit-of-happiness-with-arthur 
• Zen in the Art of Archery: https://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Archery-Eugen-Herrigel/dp/0375705090
• Hakuin Ekaku: What is the Sound of One Hand Clapping?: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373390412_Hakuin_Ekaku_What_is_the_Sound_of_One_Hand_Clapping
• Carl Jung’s quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/723830-the-greatest-and-most-important-problems-of-life-are-all
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Most of us hate waiting. Whether it’s standing in line, sitting in traffic, or waiting for a delayed flight, those idle moments feel irritating and pointless. Our instinct is to escape them as quickly as possible, almost always by reaching for our phones. But what if those moments of boredom are actually valuable?
Today’s episode of Office Hours is the first of my three-part series on The Meaning of Your Life, about boredom and how learning to sit with it can help us reconnect with reflection, insight, and the search for meaning.
I often talk about the trap of trying to eliminate discomfort from our lives. Boredom is no different. When we constantly distract ourselves, we miss the very mental space where insight and reflection occur. The truth is that boredom can be a gift. One that opens the door to deeper thought and a clearer sense of meaning.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(04:02) Why we need to get better at being bored
(07:40) Research on boredom
(10:55) Why time slows down when we’re bored
(14:33) The benefits of boredom 
(18:20) How Tolstoy found meaning 
(23:49) The doom loop 
(26:33) A different orientation to your devices 
(30:46) The practice of boredom 
(36:37) Q&A: What is a highly sensitive person?
(39:20) Q&A: Should you “trust God’s plan” when looking for a partner?
(42:38) Q&A: How do you avoid wasting your time and talent?
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Referenced:
• The Meaning of Your Life: Finding Purpose in an Age of Emptiness: https://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Your-Life-Finding-Emptiness/dp/0593545427
• The Happiness Scale: https://learn.arthurbrooks.com/the-happiness-scale 
• The Pursuit of Happiness with Arthur Brooks: https://www.thefp.com/s/the-pursuit-of-happiness-with-arthur 
• Just think: The challenges of the disengaged mind: https://dtg.sites.fas.harvard.edu/WILSON%20ET%20AL%202014.pdf
• Self-inflicted pain out of boredom: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165178116301524?via%3Dihub
• ...References continued at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.arthurbrooks.com/office-hours⁠⁠⁠
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